Vacuum System - Ryan Ginter
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Vacuum System - Ryan Ginter
Depicted below is the progress I've made on my fusor. In its current state the vacuum system is nearly complete, the only item I'm still searching for is a valve to throttle the turbomolecular pump.
My project started with the purchase of a Leybold Trivac D16E 2-stage rotary vane pump. While it's perhaps excessive for use in a fusor it was listed for a fair price and the seller accepted returns, so I went ahead and purchased it. I encountered quite a few issues after receiving the pump. The first was that it would not start up when switched on. Upon investigation, I found it had become damaged during shipping. The fan shroud and start capacitor were dented, causing the issues during startup.
The motor would not rotate due to the cooling fan contacting the dented shroud. Removing the shroud, I was able to use a hammer and anvil to remove the dent. After replacing the shroud the motor was able to be rotated by hand, so I connected a 6" hose and thermocouple gauge and ran the pump for four minutes. At the end of the run, the pump had reached a pressure of 35 microns.
I removed all oil from the pump and filled it with new, after which I let it run for an hour. At the end of the hour, the oil was again dumped and filled with new. Measuring the vacuum again, it had gone down to 15 microns. The process was repeated once more, after which the pump reached a pressure of 3 microns.
Upon connecting the pump to a vacuum chamber, the damage to the start capacitor became apparent. When the pump is under load for more than a few seconds, it bogs down and stalls. While it would be wise to replace the start capacitor, I have currently been using a right angle valve to slowly introduce air to the pump. Once the chamber pressure drops below 1/2 an atmosphere, the valve can be opened all the way without effecting the speed of the pump.
After searching ebay for a few months, I came across a Leybold TMP 50D and Turbotronik 50 for sale. The items had both been in storage, but came with a reciept for a rebuild they had undergone before being stored away.
I next went about collecting parts for my vacuum chamber. I was debating between building my own spherical chamber or using a 4-way cross when I came upon an MDC Precision 4-Way Cross, 6" sphere on ebay.
It seemed perfect for use in a fusor and was listed for a good price, so I had to pick it up. Over the course of a few months, I collected various other vacuum components. Once I had collected everything, they were cleaned first with acetone, and then with anhydrous IPA. The 4-way cross had some unknown white powder coating the inside. As this could have been anything, I carefully wiped it up and disposed of it without getting it on anything. Pictured below is the inside of the cross after cleaning.
After all parts were cleaned and assembled, I realized that what I thought was a 6" - 4.5" conflat adapter turned out to be a 3.38" adapter, So I had to order another to mount my turbomolecular pump.
After assembling everything, I placed the vacuum chamber on a temporary T-slot fixture.
The roughing pump fed into a right angle valve and then a T-pipe, to which one end had a Teledyne Hastings DV-6 thermocouple gauge and the other connected to the intake of the turbomolecular pump.
A few seconds after starting the pump, the thermocouple gauge indicated a roughing pressure of 5 microns.
Next I started up the turbomolecular pump. As it had sat in storage for a few years, I cycled it through many startups and shutdowns, gradually increasing the rpm with each cycle. Once I was confident the bearing grease was properly lubricating the pump, I allowed it to reach its full speed.
The chamber pressure was measured using an Edwards AIM-S cold cathode gauge. I ran it off my lab bench power supply and measured its output with a voltmeter. After about an hour of runtime, the gauge read just under 2x10^-6 Torr, with the roughing line reading just over 20 microns.
After this run, air was very gradually reintroduced to the chamber using a mass flow valve, pictured below.
I apologize for this being a rather long post, I've been working on this project over the past year but only recently signed up to the forums. As a result, I've dumped all of this progress into one post.
I'll be turning my attention to the high voltage system next, though it may be some time before my next update. I haven't decided what the final design will be, but it should be roughly along these lines.
My project started with the purchase of a Leybold Trivac D16E 2-stage rotary vane pump. While it's perhaps excessive for use in a fusor it was listed for a fair price and the seller accepted returns, so I went ahead and purchased it. I encountered quite a few issues after receiving the pump. The first was that it would not start up when switched on. Upon investigation, I found it had become damaged during shipping. The fan shroud and start capacitor were dented, causing the issues during startup.
The motor would not rotate due to the cooling fan contacting the dented shroud. Removing the shroud, I was able to use a hammer and anvil to remove the dent. After replacing the shroud the motor was able to be rotated by hand, so I connected a 6" hose and thermocouple gauge and ran the pump for four minutes. At the end of the run, the pump had reached a pressure of 35 microns.
I removed all oil from the pump and filled it with new, after which I let it run for an hour. At the end of the hour, the oil was again dumped and filled with new. Measuring the vacuum again, it had gone down to 15 microns. The process was repeated once more, after which the pump reached a pressure of 3 microns.
Upon connecting the pump to a vacuum chamber, the damage to the start capacitor became apparent. When the pump is under load for more than a few seconds, it bogs down and stalls. While it would be wise to replace the start capacitor, I have currently been using a right angle valve to slowly introduce air to the pump. Once the chamber pressure drops below 1/2 an atmosphere, the valve can be opened all the way without effecting the speed of the pump.
After searching ebay for a few months, I came across a Leybold TMP 50D and Turbotronik 50 for sale. The items had both been in storage, but came with a reciept for a rebuild they had undergone before being stored away.
I next went about collecting parts for my vacuum chamber. I was debating between building my own spherical chamber or using a 4-way cross when I came upon an MDC Precision 4-Way Cross, 6" sphere on ebay.
It seemed perfect for use in a fusor and was listed for a good price, so I had to pick it up. Over the course of a few months, I collected various other vacuum components. Once I had collected everything, they were cleaned first with acetone, and then with anhydrous IPA. The 4-way cross had some unknown white powder coating the inside. As this could have been anything, I carefully wiped it up and disposed of it without getting it on anything. Pictured below is the inside of the cross after cleaning.
After all parts were cleaned and assembled, I realized that what I thought was a 6" - 4.5" conflat adapter turned out to be a 3.38" adapter, So I had to order another to mount my turbomolecular pump.
After assembling everything, I placed the vacuum chamber on a temporary T-slot fixture.
The roughing pump fed into a right angle valve and then a T-pipe, to which one end had a Teledyne Hastings DV-6 thermocouple gauge and the other connected to the intake of the turbomolecular pump.
A few seconds after starting the pump, the thermocouple gauge indicated a roughing pressure of 5 microns.
Next I started up the turbomolecular pump. As it had sat in storage for a few years, I cycled it through many startups and shutdowns, gradually increasing the rpm with each cycle. Once I was confident the bearing grease was properly lubricating the pump, I allowed it to reach its full speed.
The chamber pressure was measured using an Edwards AIM-S cold cathode gauge. I ran it off my lab bench power supply and measured its output with a voltmeter. After about an hour of runtime, the gauge read just under 2x10^-6 Torr, with the roughing line reading just over 20 microns.
After this run, air was very gradually reintroduced to the chamber using a mass flow valve, pictured below.
I apologize for this being a rather long post, I've been working on this project over the past year but only recently signed up to the forums. As a result, I've dumped all of this progress into one post.
I'll be turning my attention to the high voltage system next, though it may be some time before my next update. I haven't decided what the final design will be, but it should be roughly along these lines.
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A great report with plenty of fine images. All your final pressures tend to show very good sealing of the system with all components working a one would expect. You will have a fine system when it is time to do fusion. All the best. You obviously read the FAQ on conditioning a used mechanical pump, and got the pump down to a clean and first rate condition on the third oil change without the need to get invasive. You received a good pump that just needed some TLC and it responded.
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Re: Vacuum System - Ryan Ginter
Thanks Richard, looking forward to it!
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Re: Vacuum System - Ryan Ginter
Looks like some quality equipment there. been collecting for a few years and still not there.
Good luck. Tom
Good luck. Tom
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I've acquired two more parts to add to the list.
A Huntington GVA-250V 4.5" manual gate valve with a funnel shaped 4.5" to 6" conflat adapter. As well as a 60kV ceramic feedthrough from MDC Precision Both parts were purchased used on eBay.
I've been making some progress with the power supply but I still have a lot of work to do. I'll be using a ZVS driver to run a ferrite core transformer and CW-multiplier, a new post will soon be made to document my progress.
A Huntington GVA-250V 4.5" manual gate valve with a funnel shaped 4.5" to 6" conflat adapter. As well as a 60kV ceramic feedthrough from MDC Precision Both parts were purchased used on eBay.
I've been making some progress with the power supply but I still have a lot of work to do. I'll be using a ZVS driver to run a ferrite core transformer and CW-multiplier, a new post will soon be made to document my progress.
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Wow, first rate insulator! You are spending the long buck and getting impressive results, thus far. Good bottoming pressure in a nice plus-ultra system.
You will be doing fusion soon, I hope.
Richard Hull
You will be doing fusion soon, I hope.
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Fusion is the energy of the future....and it always will be
The more complex the idea put forward by the poor amateur, the more likely it will never see embodiment
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The more complex the idea put forward by the poor amateur, the more likely it will never see embodiment
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Thanks, Richard
I plan on starting with a lower power system, something like 30kV @10ma. I want to ensure the system will be equipped to handle higher power levels as I gain experience. The high-end components won't be put to full use from the start, but as my goal is to eventually conduct activation experiments I'd prefer to only purchase components once.
With the vacuum side of things being easier to understand, I'm okay with spending the money on quality equipment. As for the power supply, there is still plenty I'm working on properly understanding. For this reason, I'm designing it to be fairly modular so that it can be easily upgraded over time.
I plan on starting with a lower power system, something like 30kV @10ma. I want to ensure the system will be equipped to handle higher power levels as I gain experience. The high-end components won't be put to full use from the start, but as my goal is to eventually conduct activation experiments I'd prefer to only purchase components once.
With the vacuum side of things being easier to understand, I'm okay with spending the money on quality equipment. As for the power supply, there is still plenty I'm working on properly understanding. For this reason, I'm designing it to be fairly modular so that it can be easily upgraded over time.
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Smart man. I have always noted that so many people do not take the time to learn real operation of a fusor system in an effort to rush forward, often doing damage to things or failing to get to fusion. The operation of fusor is somewhat of an art. Once learned it is never lost.
Study the simple magic of controlling the plasma first. Balancing pressure, voltage and current is the key, regardless of any one of those set as a goal.
Might I suggest using air, nitrogen or argon plasmas at first without the turbo running. There will be plenty of time for deep pumping and admission of expensive, hard won deuterium. Practice on a non-fusible gas at between 25 and 10 microns.
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Study the simple magic of controlling the plasma first. Balancing pressure, voltage and current is the key, regardless of any one of those set as a goal.
Might I suggest using air, nitrogen or argon plasmas at first without the turbo running. There will be plenty of time for deep pumping and admission of expensive, hard won deuterium. Practice on a non-fusible gas at between 25 and 10 microns.
Richard Hull
Progress may have been a good thing once, but it just went on too long. - Yogi Berra
Fusion is the energy of the future....and it always will be
The more complex the idea put forward by the poor amateur, the more likely it will never see embodiment
Fusion is the energy of the future....and it always will be
The more complex the idea put forward by the poor amateur, the more likely it will never see embodiment
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Sound advice, as the only purpose of the turbomolecular pump is to maintain the purity of deuterium fuel. I fully intend to take my time learning to control the plasma using air before I make any attempt at fusion.
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Really nice setup!
What is your plan for the neutron detection system?
What is your plan for the neutron detection system?
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I will probably go with a Helium-3 proportional counter. To be honest, I haven't really thought about it all that much yet. I still consider myself a fair ways off from attempting any fusion runs. Ultimately it will come down to whatever deal I find seems the most reasonable.
I have a few pancake probe Geiger counters purchased a few years ago from eBay, I repaired and recalibrated them with a certified check source. Once my power supply is finished, I'll just be using these to monitor X-rays from various locations around the fusor while I learn to control the plasma. After I'm confident with this process, I'll get a hold of a neutron detector.
I have a few pancake probe Geiger counters purchased a few years ago from eBay, I repaired and recalibrated them with a certified check source. Once my power supply is finished, I'll just be using these to monitor X-rays from various locations around the fusor while I learn to control the plasma. After I'm confident with this process, I'll get a hold of a neutron detector.
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How you calibrated those instruments would be of interest here. Maybe write a short post on how you did that in the "Neutrons, Radiation, and Detection" section?
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Yeah, I could do that if there is interest. I've only calibrated the digital type, I'm not too familiar with analog detectors but the process of using the source would be the same.
The counts per minute of the detector won't be effected by calibration, that is solely determined by the type of detector and the cross-sectional area of the mica window exposed to the source, or volume in the case of gamma and X-rays of sufficient energy to penetrate the walls of the probe. The calibration is solely to determine radiation dose. This dose measurement will only be accurate to the energy peak of the calibration source material, if you want to use it for another isotope you would need to apply a conversion factor based on the differences in the average energy of the emissions.
While you could probably make a conversion factor to monitor exposure to the X-rays emitted based on the value of your applied voltage, I would take that reading with a grain of salt. The actual emission energies of X-rays leaving the chamber will fall into a wide range of values.
The counts per minute of the detector won't be effected by calibration, that is solely determined by the type of detector and the cross-sectional area of the mica window exposed to the source, or volume in the case of gamma and X-rays of sufficient energy to penetrate the walls of the probe. The calibration is solely to determine radiation dose. This dose measurement will only be accurate to the energy peak of the calibration source material, if you want to use it for another isotope you would need to apply a conversion factor based on the differences in the average energy of the emissions.
While you could probably make a conversion factor to monitor exposure to the X-rays emitted based on the value of your applied voltage, I would take that reading with a grain of salt. The actual emission energies of X-rays leaving the chamber will fall into a wide range of values.
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It's been nearly a year now since I made any posts relating to the construction of my fusor. Work on the device never ceased, though I must admit my progress has been slow. Rather than sprinting headfirst into assembly, most of my time has been spent learning. I've been delving into the depths of the forum as well as reading through some of the recommended books and online papers. Personally, I wouldn't feel a sense of accomplishment in creating something without first possessing a competent degree of understanding regarding the mechanisms of its operation. Like many others, I felt that I had a good handle on it when I signed up for the forum, but the funny thing with knowledge is the deeper you go, the more it is revealed to you just how limited a perspective you have.
That aside, I've reached the point where >90% of the equipment I require is already in my possession. When I first designed the layout of my device I didn't have these components on hand, and there were many different types and sizes to choose from. Now having the ability to measure the dimensions of everything, it's become clear to me that they will not fit together in the way I originally intended. As a result of this, I've gone about fully redesigning the layout of my device.
The new design is depicted below. The CAD model is still unfinished, but everything that could present complications due to available space has been depicted. Going through the various components, the first is the vacuum system. The parts used are the same as those shown a year ago with the addition of a few conflat elbows. The old chamber was disassembled for cleaning and then reassembled into the new configuration. I was hoping to provide an image of the finished vacuum system mounted into the frame at the time of this post, but an issue occurred during assembly that has delayed this. More on that later.
The white box to the left of the chamber in the first image is an HDPE Neutron Moderator for activation experiments. Below the chamber is the roughing pump, and to the right of that is the panel box containing my custom power supply. Directly to the right of the fusor is the radiation shielding and right of that is the operator's control panel. I will be stationed at a distance of one meter during operation, so protection from X-rays is a definite requirement.
As some will likely notice from the thickness of the shielding, I'm also planning to incorporate borated wax within the shield. Before anyone decides to comment on that, I'm aware that neutron shielding is not required at the output levels typical for a fusor, and I don't possess an irrational fear of radiation. I've simply found the idea of a "shadow cone shield" as Richard has described it to be interesting. Wax and borax are quite cheap, so I wish to try my hand at it. If I can be pardoned for being overly optimistic, I'd also like to think that one day I may find use for it due to the close proximity of the operator and reaction chamber, but I don't expect that to be a concern for a very long time, if at all.
Many components of the control panel have only been partially modeled. Most of the space directly behind the panel will be filled in. Space directly below the fusor's vacuum chamber will be left open to help further isolate the high-voltage line. The neutron detection system is located directly above the control panel. The proportional tube and pre-amplifier will be placed above the vacuum chamber, both of which I've yet to purchase. The last remaining open space is directly above the moderator oven. This space is being left available for future upgrades, though I'm leaning towards a pump, reservoir, and radiator for liquid cooling the reactor walls.
Returning to the complication with my vacuum chamber, my progress has been momentarily delayed due to a sheared bolt between the 6" to 4.5" conical reducer and the gate valve. Unfortunately, this interface involves a tapped flange. The damaged bolt was a step-stud that had already been installed on the gate valve before it was purchased on eBay. The stud was threaded for 5/16-24 on one side and 1/4-28 on the other. I didn't think anything of it at the time, mindlessly disassembling, cleaning, and then reassembling the interface, but the use of a 1/4" bolt on a 4.5" flange would prove to be the cause of the issue.
Once the bolt had sheared I set about trying to source another, but despite many hours searching the websites of multiple retailers I couldn't find a suitable replacement. After failing to locate the part, I began taking measurements to see if I could bore the flange holes out to a larger diameter. Upon measuring the width of the holes, I immediately realized my oversight. The flange, as with all other 4.5" flanges, was already sized out to accept 5/16" bolts. Why the original seller had it stepped down to 1/4" I can only imagine.
Anyway, the 5/16-24 threaded studs are already ordered and on their way. Hopefully, I can extract the sheared bolt without too much difficulty and proceed to mount the completed vacuum system into the extruded aluminum framing. I do intend to go into more detail on the various steps taken during the construction of each system in future posts.
I've always preferred completing a job and then collecting all of my notes and writing a long-format post as opposed to many short posts made throughout the process. As such, you can expect to see said posts added for this project as I progress and complete each system throughout the year. I've never been great at sticking to timelines I've set for myself, but I'd like to take measurements of pressure, current, and voltage in plasma composed of air by the end of summer, and experiment with deuterium by winter.
That aside, I've reached the point where >90% of the equipment I require is already in my possession. When I first designed the layout of my device I didn't have these components on hand, and there were many different types and sizes to choose from. Now having the ability to measure the dimensions of everything, it's become clear to me that they will not fit together in the way I originally intended. As a result of this, I've gone about fully redesigning the layout of my device.
The new design is depicted below. The CAD model is still unfinished, but everything that could present complications due to available space has been depicted. Going through the various components, the first is the vacuum system. The parts used are the same as those shown a year ago with the addition of a few conflat elbows. The old chamber was disassembled for cleaning and then reassembled into the new configuration. I was hoping to provide an image of the finished vacuum system mounted into the frame at the time of this post, but an issue occurred during assembly that has delayed this. More on that later.
The white box to the left of the chamber in the first image is an HDPE Neutron Moderator for activation experiments. Below the chamber is the roughing pump, and to the right of that is the panel box containing my custom power supply. Directly to the right of the fusor is the radiation shielding and right of that is the operator's control panel. I will be stationed at a distance of one meter during operation, so protection from X-rays is a definite requirement.
As some will likely notice from the thickness of the shielding, I'm also planning to incorporate borated wax within the shield. Before anyone decides to comment on that, I'm aware that neutron shielding is not required at the output levels typical for a fusor, and I don't possess an irrational fear of radiation. I've simply found the idea of a "shadow cone shield" as Richard has described it to be interesting. Wax and borax are quite cheap, so I wish to try my hand at it. If I can be pardoned for being overly optimistic, I'd also like to think that one day I may find use for it due to the close proximity of the operator and reaction chamber, but I don't expect that to be a concern for a very long time, if at all.
Many components of the control panel have only been partially modeled. Most of the space directly behind the panel will be filled in. Space directly below the fusor's vacuum chamber will be left open to help further isolate the high-voltage line. The neutron detection system is located directly above the control panel. The proportional tube and pre-amplifier will be placed above the vacuum chamber, both of which I've yet to purchase. The last remaining open space is directly above the moderator oven. This space is being left available for future upgrades, though I'm leaning towards a pump, reservoir, and radiator for liquid cooling the reactor walls.
Returning to the complication with my vacuum chamber, my progress has been momentarily delayed due to a sheared bolt between the 6" to 4.5" conical reducer and the gate valve. Unfortunately, this interface involves a tapped flange. The damaged bolt was a step-stud that had already been installed on the gate valve before it was purchased on eBay. The stud was threaded for 5/16-24 on one side and 1/4-28 on the other. I didn't think anything of it at the time, mindlessly disassembling, cleaning, and then reassembling the interface, but the use of a 1/4" bolt on a 4.5" flange would prove to be the cause of the issue.
Once the bolt had sheared I set about trying to source another, but despite many hours searching the websites of multiple retailers I couldn't find a suitable replacement. After failing to locate the part, I began taking measurements to see if I could bore the flange holes out to a larger diameter. Upon measuring the width of the holes, I immediately realized my oversight. The flange, as with all other 4.5" flanges, was already sized out to accept 5/16" bolts. Why the original seller had it stepped down to 1/4" I can only imagine.
Anyway, the 5/16-24 threaded studs are already ordered and on their way. Hopefully, I can extract the sheared bolt without too much difficulty and proceed to mount the completed vacuum system into the extruded aluminum framing. I do intend to go into more detail on the various steps taken during the construction of each system in future posts.
I've always preferred completing a job and then collecting all of my notes and writing a long-format post as opposed to many short posts made throughout the process. As such, you can expect to see said posts added for this project as I progress and complete each system throughout the year. I've never been great at sticking to timelines I've set for myself, but I'd like to take measurements of pressure, current, and voltage in plasma composed of air by the end of summer, and experiment with deuterium by winter.
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Thanks for the great post on you progress. Undoubtedly the best time spent on this project was in learning! Learn, study, then do...Repeat, over and over as needed to win. Once you win, apply and experiment, and perhaps, even expand and upgrade.
Planning the physical layout can be quite a task in one hasn't all the components in hand. Spreading the piece out over a larger area will always prove to be a wise idea as you can rarely plan for future larger or different upgrade or expansion components.
Best of luck and keep those update posts coming.
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Planning the physical layout can be quite a task in one hasn't all the components in hand. Spreading the piece out over a larger area will always prove to be a wise idea as you can rarely plan for future larger or different upgrade or expansion components.
Best of luck and keep those update posts coming.
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Fusion is the energy of the future....and it always will be
The more complex the idea put forward by the poor amateur, the more likely it will never see embodiment
Fusion is the energy of the future....and it always will be
The more complex the idea put forward by the poor amateur, the more likely it will never see embodiment
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Good progress and as Richard pointed out, hard to plan till one has the parts. I did the reverse: built a huge volume cart and installed my system piece meal. After running it a few years, finally made a small compact cart. An easier process when one has the entire working system.
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Well, it has been three months now since the previous update, but I'm excited to announce the completion of my vacuum system. While the fusor as a whole still isn't ready for operation, I'm at the point now where the fruits of my labor are becoming apparent. Being able to see the completed vacuum system imparts a strong sense of motivation, as the ideas that I've been holding within my mind over the past few years are finally physically manifesting before me. So then, I suppose it's time to go over what I've done.
Pictured here are the majority of vacuum components laid out for cleaning. My previous post had left off with the impeded completion of the system due to a damaged step-stud. I was very fortunate in this regard, as I only needed to lock some vice grips to the exposed edge of the stud to remove it. With all 1/4" studs replaced by 5/16" I was able to attach the conical adapter to the gate valve, after which the fusor chamber was ready to be mounted to the frame.
Pictured here are the components of the fusor that exist between the roughing line and the fuel line, excluding the HV feedthrough. The top front flange of the chamber is a glass viewport, and the top back flange is a zero-length reducer for attaching the KF-25 fuel and pressure gauges. The front bottom flange is a 6" to 4.5" conical reducer, leading to a manual gate valve, a 4.5" conflat elbow, and the turbomolecular pump. The back bottom flange is for the HV feedthrough. The feedthrough wasn't connected until after the chamber had been mounted to its frame to prevent damaging the insulator. The chamber was attached at four points near the top and one near the turbomolecular pump. A total of four extended-length Grade 9 bolts were used in place of the standard conflat bolts, divided between the viewport and zero-length reducer of the fuel/gauge port. These bolts were inserted in opposition to the others, leaving their threaded ends facing outwards. Four 80/20 extrusions were then threaded to accept these bolts and the extrusions were mounted to the frame. The turbomolecular pump was mounted to a larger 80/20 extrusion using a u-bolt, with high-temperature rubber compressed between the two for vibration dampening.
Image of the frame The frame had been moved to a new location before assembling the fusor. The location was selected to maximize the distance from which any person could unknowingly approach the device. In this new location, the X-rays from the fusor will be reduced below background levels at any distance one could approach from the outside. Protection within the room will be provided by a lead plate, which has not yet been installed.
Here are images of the completed vacuum system mounted to the frame
The roughing pump was mounted using high-temperature rubber standoffs. A KF-25 t-adapter was attached to the inlet of the pump. Right-angle manual valves were connected on either end of the adapter, one to seal off the roughing line from the pump, and the other to charge the pump's inlet back up to atmospheric pressure after finishing a run. The roughing line valve leads to another T-adapter, to which one end connects to a thermocouple gauge and the other to a 6" long bellows hose. The hose feeds directly into the exhaust port of the turbomolecular pump. The zero-length adapter on the back of the chamber attaches to a 2.75" elbow, which in turn connects to a 2.75" to KF-25 adapter. The adapter then attaches to a five-way cross. The top flange of the cross connects to the DV-6 thermocouple gauge, the right flange connects to the inverted magnetron gauge, the left is a series of KF-25 straight pipes, and the bottom is blanked off. The straight pipes lead to a right angle valve, a needle valve, and then a KF-25 to barbed tube fitting.
More views of the fusor The HV feedthrough was connected after mounting the system to the frame. The cathode grid of the feedthrough was made using 0.049" diameter 99.95% annealed tungsten wire from Thermofisher Scientific.
I had initially attempted to fabricate the rings by bending the wire around a 2" steel pipe, but all attempts at doing so resulted in the wire shattering. This was a bad start, as the bend around the pipe was at a much shallower angle than the 90-degree bend that would be needed on the ends of the loops. I eventually gave up on the idea of using the pipe, instead opting to form it by hand with jewelry pliers. Copper wire was formed around the 2" pipe to provide a gauge for visual reference.
Many more attempts were made to bend the wire by hand, but the wire would still always break at some point during the forming process. Through much trial and error, I eventually found success by forming the wire while it was submerged in boiling water. Though it was a pain to work over the stovetop for extended periods, the tungsten wires' ductility was noticeably improved, and no further breaks occurred while handling it.
Pictured here is a single loop of the tungsten wire after being formed by hand Three loops were then inserted into a 1/4" copper tube, and the loops were positioned with an alignment tool I 3D-printed.
Once everything was positioned correctly, the copper tube was crimped to permanently retain them. The grid was then inserted into one end of a 1/4" stainless steel coupler.
The HV feedthrough pin had a diameter of 5/32". A 1/4" copper pipe was drilled out to accept the feedthrough, adapting the pin to fit into the coupler. The copper tube also had a cut made across its length. This served a dual purpose, first to allow the coupler's set screw to drive directly against the feedthrough pin and then to improve vacuum conductance by providing a channel for air to escape the coupler.
Pictured here is the grid attached to the feedthrough Pictured here is the grid in the center of the reaction chamber. (Image taken at an angle) With the entire vacuum system now fully assembled it was time to begin testing its performance.
Vacuum Testing
A pump down was performed after fully assembling the vacuum system. The reaction chamber reached a pressure of 11 microns as read by the DV-6 tube after roughly one minute of evacuating. The gate valve to the chamber was then closed, after which the pressure was observed to increase at a slow but steady rate. The gate valve was opened once again and the turbomolecular pump was started. The chamber pressure dropped to zero on the DV-6 gauge within twenty seconds. The inverted magnetron gauge was then powered up and the chamber pressure was measured with a voltmeter. After two hours of continuous pumping the system had reached a pressure of 2.6X10^-5 torr.
The gate valve was then closed and the rise in pressure was observed. The inverted magnetron went off scale within a few seconds, so I switched back to reading the DV-6 gauge to get an idea of the leak rate. After several measurements, a leak rate of 3 microns per minute was found. The system was left closed off for the next hour, but the chamber continued to gain pressure at the same rate, suggesting it wasn't a virtual leak.
I began the search for leaking connections by once again opening the valve and reducing the chamber pressure to 2.6X10^-5 torr. 99.9% anhydrous IPA was applied to all of the flange connections on the vacuum chamber, no effect was observed until the alcohol was applied to the DV-6 guage. Immediately upon application of the alcohol to the threaded KF-25 adapter, the pressure within the chamber sharply dropped. After around twenty seconds of improved pumping, the pressure began to sharply increase, surpassing the level from before the alcohol was applied.
The chamber was vented to atmospheric pressure and the DV-6 tube was removed. The threaded connection of the tube was cleaned with acetone and new thread tape was applied. The system was pumped down after the tube was reinstalled, and after another two-hour run, it reached a pressure of 4.2X10^-6 torr. The knife gate was again closed and the rise in pressure was measured with the inverted magnetron gauge. The measurement had started at a pressure of 4.2X10^-6, and after 5.57 minutes the pressure had risen to half a micron, indicating an outgassing + leak rate of just under 0.1 microns per minute.
The next day I performed a longer duration pumpdown of the system, lasting four hours in total. This time the chamber had dropped to a pressure of 1.5X10^-6 torr. After the run had been completed, I set about testing the vacuum performance of the chamber with reduced conductance. The manual gate valve I use between the turbomolecular pump and the reaction chamber makes five and a half rotations between the open and closed positions. The first five rotations progress the knife across the opening of the conical reducer, and the final half-turn compresses the O-ring. The gate valve was turned five rotations for the test, fully obscuring the chamber's opening but allowing gas to still circumvent the O-ring.
The system was held in this configuration for a few minutes, after which it had settled at a pressure of 3.4X10^-6 torr. This is likely the position the valve will be in when I eventually admit deuterium into the chamber, and thus it may represent the approximate background gas pressure. This should certainly be sufficient to maintain a 99% deuterium atmosphere in the reaction chamber.
Once this test had been completed I performed another leak check on the system. With the gate valve fully closed, pressure was observed to rise from 3.4X10^-6 torr to 5.0X10^-4 torr over the span of 22.7 minutes, giving an outgassing + leak rate of 0.02 microns.
After running this second test I became aware of the backing pressure of my pump increasing above previously seen levels. One reason was certainly the ambient temperature, it was a very hot day outside and the room had risen to 100F. The temperature of the pump was measured, it was still within operating spec but only just. Still, even if it were hot out the backing pressure shouldn't necessarily rise by 20 microns. I decided to perform an oil change on the pump. The old oil was collected and observed, no issues with color or viscosity were noted. The oil however was of a cheaper variety. I had originally purchased a 5-gallon bucket of it for use in cleaning the pump when I first purchased it. The pump had performed fine up until now so I never bothered to replace it.
Once the oil was removed from the pump I replaced it with the brand-name oil listed in the owner's manual. The pump was once again started and allowed to heat back up to its previously measured temperature. Upon reaching that temperature the pump was backing the system at 15 microns, over 15 lower than with the previous oil at the same temperature.
Upon the time of writing this post, it was finally my day off, so I went about performing a long-duration pump down of the system. After nine hours of continuous pumping, the system had dropped to a pressure of 5.5X10^-7 torr. I'm quite pleased with this result, especially considering the majority of the system was constructed with used eBay components and no bakeout was required. The rate of pumping quickly dropped off after this. The turbomolecular pump was allowed to run for an additional two hours, after which the system reached a final pressure of 5.0X10^-7 torr. The pressure was measured with the gate valve cracked a hair again, this time it settled around 9.0X10^-7 torr. A final leak test was then performed. The pressure rose from 9.0X10^-7 torr to 9.0X10^-5 torr over the duration of 27.8 minutes, giving a final outgassing + leak rate of 0.003 microns per minute.
Now for a few final notes on the vacuum system. There are currently still two connections within the system where leaks occur, one is in the roughing line and the other is the fuel line.
The roughing line currently makes use of an LCD-display HVAC thermocouple gauge. The gauge is connected to the system with an NPT fitting that leaks at a high rate. I've made multiple attempts to stop the leak but all have been unsuccessful. I've decided to replace this gauge with the DV-6 tube currently measuring my reaction chamber pressure. The first reason is to eliminate a potential future leak point on the UHV side, and the second is to allow myself to observe the roughing line pressure at the operator panel, as I currently need to walk to the other side of the system to read the gauge. I will be replacing the gauge on the UHV side with another DV-6 tube, but this one will have a welded KF-25 fitting instead of a threaded adapter.
The second leak originates from the needle valve on my fuel line. The needle valve has a threaded adapter on each side for connecting KF-25 fittings. The open end of the valve was blanked off and the leak was confirmed to be originating from the threaded connections and not from gas slipping past the needle. I will have to try and seal the valve before I attempt any runs with the system. It's possible that I may even change the valve out for something else entirely.
Well, that brings everything up to date with where I'm currently sitting on this fusor. My efforts for the remainder of this month will be directed toward the completion of my custom power supply. Once completed I will finish up my metering equipment and get everything grounded, after which an air plasma test run can be performed.
Pictured here are the majority of vacuum components laid out for cleaning. My previous post had left off with the impeded completion of the system due to a damaged step-stud. I was very fortunate in this regard, as I only needed to lock some vice grips to the exposed edge of the stud to remove it. With all 1/4" studs replaced by 5/16" I was able to attach the conical adapter to the gate valve, after which the fusor chamber was ready to be mounted to the frame.
Pictured here are the components of the fusor that exist between the roughing line and the fuel line, excluding the HV feedthrough. The top front flange of the chamber is a glass viewport, and the top back flange is a zero-length reducer for attaching the KF-25 fuel and pressure gauges. The front bottom flange is a 6" to 4.5" conical reducer, leading to a manual gate valve, a 4.5" conflat elbow, and the turbomolecular pump. The back bottom flange is for the HV feedthrough. The feedthrough wasn't connected until after the chamber had been mounted to its frame to prevent damaging the insulator. The chamber was attached at four points near the top and one near the turbomolecular pump. A total of four extended-length Grade 9 bolts were used in place of the standard conflat bolts, divided between the viewport and zero-length reducer of the fuel/gauge port. These bolts were inserted in opposition to the others, leaving their threaded ends facing outwards. Four 80/20 extrusions were then threaded to accept these bolts and the extrusions were mounted to the frame. The turbomolecular pump was mounted to a larger 80/20 extrusion using a u-bolt, with high-temperature rubber compressed between the two for vibration dampening.
Image of the frame The frame had been moved to a new location before assembling the fusor. The location was selected to maximize the distance from which any person could unknowingly approach the device. In this new location, the X-rays from the fusor will be reduced below background levels at any distance one could approach from the outside. Protection within the room will be provided by a lead plate, which has not yet been installed.
Here are images of the completed vacuum system mounted to the frame
The roughing pump was mounted using high-temperature rubber standoffs. A KF-25 t-adapter was attached to the inlet of the pump. Right-angle manual valves were connected on either end of the adapter, one to seal off the roughing line from the pump, and the other to charge the pump's inlet back up to atmospheric pressure after finishing a run. The roughing line valve leads to another T-adapter, to which one end connects to a thermocouple gauge and the other to a 6" long bellows hose. The hose feeds directly into the exhaust port of the turbomolecular pump. The zero-length adapter on the back of the chamber attaches to a 2.75" elbow, which in turn connects to a 2.75" to KF-25 adapter. The adapter then attaches to a five-way cross. The top flange of the cross connects to the DV-6 thermocouple gauge, the right flange connects to the inverted magnetron gauge, the left is a series of KF-25 straight pipes, and the bottom is blanked off. The straight pipes lead to a right angle valve, a needle valve, and then a KF-25 to barbed tube fitting.
More views of the fusor The HV feedthrough was connected after mounting the system to the frame. The cathode grid of the feedthrough was made using 0.049" diameter 99.95% annealed tungsten wire from Thermofisher Scientific.
I had initially attempted to fabricate the rings by bending the wire around a 2" steel pipe, but all attempts at doing so resulted in the wire shattering. This was a bad start, as the bend around the pipe was at a much shallower angle than the 90-degree bend that would be needed on the ends of the loops. I eventually gave up on the idea of using the pipe, instead opting to form it by hand with jewelry pliers. Copper wire was formed around the 2" pipe to provide a gauge for visual reference.
Many more attempts were made to bend the wire by hand, but the wire would still always break at some point during the forming process. Through much trial and error, I eventually found success by forming the wire while it was submerged in boiling water. Though it was a pain to work over the stovetop for extended periods, the tungsten wires' ductility was noticeably improved, and no further breaks occurred while handling it.
Pictured here is a single loop of the tungsten wire after being formed by hand Three loops were then inserted into a 1/4" copper tube, and the loops were positioned with an alignment tool I 3D-printed.
Once everything was positioned correctly, the copper tube was crimped to permanently retain them. The grid was then inserted into one end of a 1/4" stainless steel coupler.
The HV feedthrough pin had a diameter of 5/32". A 1/4" copper pipe was drilled out to accept the feedthrough, adapting the pin to fit into the coupler. The copper tube also had a cut made across its length. This served a dual purpose, first to allow the coupler's set screw to drive directly against the feedthrough pin and then to improve vacuum conductance by providing a channel for air to escape the coupler.
Pictured here is the grid attached to the feedthrough Pictured here is the grid in the center of the reaction chamber. (Image taken at an angle) With the entire vacuum system now fully assembled it was time to begin testing its performance.
Vacuum Testing
A pump down was performed after fully assembling the vacuum system. The reaction chamber reached a pressure of 11 microns as read by the DV-6 tube after roughly one minute of evacuating. The gate valve to the chamber was then closed, after which the pressure was observed to increase at a slow but steady rate. The gate valve was opened once again and the turbomolecular pump was started. The chamber pressure dropped to zero on the DV-6 gauge within twenty seconds. The inverted magnetron gauge was then powered up and the chamber pressure was measured with a voltmeter. After two hours of continuous pumping the system had reached a pressure of 2.6X10^-5 torr.
The gate valve was then closed and the rise in pressure was observed. The inverted magnetron went off scale within a few seconds, so I switched back to reading the DV-6 gauge to get an idea of the leak rate. After several measurements, a leak rate of 3 microns per minute was found. The system was left closed off for the next hour, but the chamber continued to gain pressure at the same rate, suggesting it wasn't a virtual leak.
I began the search for leaking connections by once again opening the valve and reducing the chamber pressure to 2.6X10^-5 torr. 99.9% anhydrous IPA was applied to all of the flange connections on the vacuum chamber, no effect was observed until the alcohol was applied to the DV-6 guage. Immediately upon application of the alcohol to the threaded KF-25 adapter, the pressure within the chamber sharply dropped. After around twenty seconds of improved pumping, the pressure began to sharply increase, surpassing the level from before the alcohol was applied.
The chamber was vented to atmospheric pressure and the DV-6 tube was removed. The threaded connection of the tube was cleaned with acetone and new thread tape was applied. The system was pumped down after the tube was reinstalled, and after another two-hour run, it reached a pressure of 4.2X10^-6 torr. The knife gate was again closed and the rise in pressure was measured with the inverted magnetron gauge. The measurement had started at a pressure of 4.2X10^-6, and after 5.57 minutes the pressure had risen to half a micron, indicating an outgassing + leak rate of just under 0.1 microns per minute.
The next day I performed a longer duration pumpdown of the system, lasting four hours in total. This time the chamber had dropped to a pressure of 1.5X10^-6 torr. After the run had been completed, I set about testing the vacuum performance of the chamber with reduced conductance. The manual gate valve I use between the turbomolecular pump and the reaction chamber makes five and a half rotations between the open and closed positions. The first five rotations progress the knife across the opening of the conical reducer, and the final half-turn compresses the O-ring. The gate valve was turned five rotations for the test, fully obscuring the chamber's opening but allowing gas to still circumvent the O-ring.
The system was held in this configuration for a few minutes, after which it had settled at a pressure of 3.4X10^-6 torr. This is likely the position the valve will be in when I eventually admit deuterium into the chamber, and thus it may represent the approximate background gas pressure. This should certainly be sufficient to maintain a 99% deuterium atmosphere in the reaction chamber.
Once this test had been completed I performed another leak check on the system. With the gate valve fully closed, pressure was observed to rise from 3.4X10^-6 torr to 5.0X10^-4 torr over the span of 22.7 minutes, giving an outgassing + leak rate of 0.02 microns.
After running this second test I became aware of the backing pressure of my pump increasing above previously seen levels. One reason was certainly the ambient temperature, it was a very hot day outside and the room had risen to 100F. The temperature of the pump was measured, it was still within operating spec but only just. Still, even if it were hot out the backing pressure shouldn't necessarily rise by 20 microns. I decided to perform an oil change on the pump. The old oil was collected and observed, no issues with color or viscosity were noted. The oil however was of a cheaper variety. I had originally purchased a 5-gallon bucket of it for use in cleaning the pump when I first purchased it. The pump had performed fine up until now so I never bothered to replace it.
Once the oil was removed from the pump I replaced it with the brand-name oil listed in the owner's manual. The pump was once again started and allowed to heat back up to its previously measured temperature. Upon reaching that temperature the pump was backing the system at 15 microns, over 15 lower than with the previous oil at the same temperature.
Upon the time of writing this post, it was finally my day off, so I went about performing a long-duration pump down of the system. After nine hours of continuous pumping, the system had dropped to a pressure of 5.5X10^-7 torr. I'm quite pleased with this result, especially considering the majority of the system was constructed with used eBay components and no bakeout was required. The rate of pumping quickly dropped off after this. The turbomolecular pump was allowed to run for an additional two hours, after which the system reached a final pressure of 5.0X10^-7 torr. The pressure was measured with the gate valve cracked a hair again, this time it settled around 9.0X10^-7 torr. A final leak test was then performed. The pressure rose from 9.0X10^-7 torr to 9.0X10^-5 torr over the duration of 27.8 minutes, giving a final outgassing + leak rate of 0.003 microns per minute.
Now for a few final notes on the vacuum system. There are currently still two connections within the system where leaks occur, one is in the roughing line and the other is the fuel line.
The roughing line currently makes use of an LCD-display HVAC thermocouple gauge. The gauge is connected to the system with an NPT fitting that leaks at a high rate. I've made multiple attempts to stop the leak but all have been unsuccessful. I've decided to replace this gauge with the DV-6 tube currently measuring my reaction chamber pressure. The first reason is to eliminate a potential future leak point on the UHV side, and the second is to allow myself to observe the roughing line pressure at the operator panel, as I currently need to walk to the other side of the system to read the gauge. I will be replacing the gauge on the UHV side with another DV-6 tube, but this one will have a welded KF-25 fitting instead of a threaded adapter.
The second leak originates from the needle valve on my fuel line. The needle valve has a threaded adapter on each side for connecting KF-25 fittings. The open end of the valve was blanked off and the leak was confirmed to be originating from the threaded connections and not from gas slipping past the needle. I will have to try and seal the valve before I attempt any runs with the system. It's possible that I may even change the valve out for something else entirely.
Well, that brings everything up to date with where I'm currently sitting on this fusor. My efforts for the remainder of this month will be directed toward the completion of my custom power supply. Once completed I will finish up my metering equipment and get everything grounded, after which an air plasma test run can be performed.
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Re: Vacuum System - Ryan Ginter
First off, very professional build!
Of course, excellent documentation of your build.
Once your deuterium gas source and power system are added, your system is certainly going to perform well, I have no doubt. You certainly have a well designed system and good instrumentation on the fusor. Reaching 10^-7 torr certainly proves your system is not just sealed but extremely clean.
Not sure from the pic but does your roughing pump have an oil separator connected between it and your fusor? That can reduce back streaming issues.
From the look of that insulator, I assume your going well over 30 kV. So, at some point, I guess you will add some type of shielding system.
Out of curiosity, through its not important, why is your gas access pipe so very long? Also, I am very surprised your very high end needle valve for the D2 gas inlet control would leak.
Finally, do be certain of your grounding for the entire frame - your electronics are in contact with it as is the fusor and ground loops can be an issue if one does not provide a good grounding source for the metal frame. A separate ground to the main panels other circuit compared to the one side for the power supply can be helpful. If possible, a water ground - if any metal water pipe is available - can improve the grounding performance (in rural areas, such pipes are commonly available and often connected to the panel for that purpose.) Not essential but can help reduce ground loops/noise.
I look forward to seeing your design and build for your power supply.
At some point, I'd certainly be interested in a description of your NIM electronics module setup and logic relative to the detector.
Of course, excellent documentation of your build.
Once your deuterium gas source and power system are added, your system is certainly going to perform well, I have no doubt. You certainly have a well designed system and good instrumentation on the fusor. Reaching 10^-7 torr certainly proves your system is not just sealed but extremely clean.
Not sure from the pic but does your roughing pump have an oil separator connected between it and your fusor? That can reduce back streaming issues.
From the look of that insulator, I assume your going well over 30 kV. So, at some point, I guess you will add some type of shielding system.
Out of curiosity, through its not important, why is your gas access pipe so very long? Also, I am very surprised your very high end needle valve for the D2 gas inlet control would leak.
Finally, do be certain of your grounding for the entire frame - your electronics are in contact with it as is the fusor and ground loops can be an issue if one does not provide a good grounding source for the metal frame. A separate ground to the main panels other circuit compared to the one side for the power supply can be helpful. If possible, a water ground - if any metal water pipe is available - can improve the grounding performance (in rural areas, such pipes are commonly available and often connected to the panel for that purpose.) Not essential but can help reduce ground loops/noise.
I look forward to seeing your design and build for your power supply.
At some point, I'd certainly be interested in a description of your NIM electronics module setup and logic relative to the detector.
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Re: Vacuum System - Ryan Ginter
Thanks for the tips, Dennis.
It's a bit difficult to get a good image of the entire roughing line due to its positioning. Here is a view of it from the other side. I don't currently have an oil separator in place, but I'll keep an eye out for one. It certainly couldn't hurt to have.
I do eventually plan on running the fusor at higher voltages where the steel chamber walls will be penetrated by X-rays, but that won't be any time soon. The first iteration of my power supply will not be exceeding 40-45 kV. I knew that I would one day want to push for higher voltage runs, so I made the decision to purchase the overkill insulator now instead of upgrading it later and having a 45 kV insulator that I no longer had any use for.
Regarding the length of the KF-25 straight pipes, I just wanted to have all controls for the fusor together in one place, and didn't want to stand too close during operation. There may have been better ways of doing this, but it doesn't seem to have any impact on the system.
After reading your post I decided to do a bit of additional testing to verify the needle valve was the source of the leak. Here is a better look at the valves. All of my vacuum tests from the previous post had been performed with the right angle valve closed, so I know for certain that the KF-25 pipes are sealed properly. I just ran a leak test with the needle valve removed from the right angle valve and replaced with a blank. The right-angle valve was left open and the system was pumped down. The gate valve was closed and pressure was observed, I waited around a minute but no movement of the DV-6 gauge's needle occurred.
Running the same test with the needle valve in the open position attached to the right angle valve and the barbed hose fitting replaced with a blank results in a 15-micron per minute leak. The needle valve was purchased from China on eBay. Typically the design of such items are sound, but the quality control can vary. I plan on tearing the valve down and seeing if I can resolve the issue.
I don't really have any experience dealing with ground loops. I'll continue looking into it as I work on my power supply. Am I correct in assuming that it isn't an issue of safety but rather just one of signal noise? As I understand it there should be no electrical hazard so long as the entire frame and everything on it (excluding the negative HV line) are held at the same potential. There are some metal water pipes downstairs, I'll have to double check but I think they should have a good earth connection.
I was planning on using the star-ground connection to all components despite the metal frame, especially to all of the control surfaces at the operator panel. Would you say this is still the best way to go about this? Also I assume I would want to connect both the home electrical ground and the real earth ground to the star-ground connection.
It's a bit difficult to get a good image of the entire roughing line due to its positioning. Here is a view of it from the other side. I don't currently have an oil separator in place, but I'll keep an eye out for one. It certainly couldn't hurt to have.
I do eventually plan on running the fusor at higher voltages where the steel chamber walls will be penetrated by X-rays, but that won't be any time soon. The first iteration of my power supply will not be exceeding 40-45 kV. I knew that I would one day want to push for higher voltage runs, so I made the decision to purchase the overkill insulator now instead of upgrading it later and having a 45 kV insulator that I no longer had any use for.
Regarding the length of the KF-25 straight pipes, I just wanted to have all controls for the fusor together in one place, and didn't want to stand too close during operation. There may have been better ways of doing this, but it doesn't seem to have any impact on the system.
After reading your post I decided to do a bit of additional testing to verify the needle valve was the source of the leak. Here is a better look at the valves. All of my vacuum tests from the previous post had been performed with the right angle valve closed, so I know for certain that the KF-25 pipes are sealed properly. I just ran a leak test with the needle valve removed from the right angle valve and replaced with a blank. The right-angle valve was left open and the system was pumped down. The gate valve was closed and pressure was observed, I waited around a minute but no movement of the DV-6 gauge's needle occurred.
Running the same test with the needle valve in the open position attached to the right angle valve and the barbed hose fitting replaced with a blank results in a 15-micron per minute leak. The needle valve was purchased from China on eBay. Typically the design of such items are sound, but the quality control can vary. I plan on tearing the valve down and seeing if I can resolve the issue.
I don't really have any experience dealing with ground loops. I'll continue looking into it as I work on my power supply. Am I correct in assuming that it isn't an issue of safety but rather just one of signal noise? As I understand it there should be no electrical hazard so long as the entire frame and everything on it (excluding the negative HV line) are held at the same potential. There are some metal water pipes downstairs, I'll have to double check but I think they should have a good earth connection.
I was planning on using the star-ground connection to all components despite the metal frame, especially to all of the control surfaces at the operator panel. Would you say this is still the best way to go about this? Also I assume I would want to connect both the home electrical ground and the real earth ground to the star-ground connection.
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Re: Vacuum System - Ryan Ginter
The fusor starts to get 'transparent' to x-rays above 30 kV so operating near/to 40-45 kV is a serious issue for x-rays. So shielding of some type is in order. Whether lead sheet or slate tiles (Home Depot - cheap, easy to drill) are possible choices. Lead sheet should be painted to reduce possible poisoning issues.
Having a good Geiger counter and a pancake type detector is extremely valuable for detecting that threat for photons above 10 keV (not to be confused with your system's voltage.) Below that threshold energy the threat might be strong but the detector might not properly detect those photons. Calculate the danger based on the highest voltage you will be using - better safe then sorry.
The star ground for the system is, of course, the way to go. But a separate, i.e. redundant, ground for the metal frame is both a good idea to avoid ground loops but an extra safety precaution. Certainly, using a home Earth ground (such as a metal water pipe to a well) as a redundant extra ground is a good practice. For instance, if any of my detector system touches my power supply cabinet, I get a lot of false counts.
I too do not know about the Chinese leak valves available and if they are any good - maybe some high vac grease on its internal o-ring for the needle shaft would help. But it certainly does leak and that isn't good.
Having a good Geiger counter and a pancake type detector is extremely valuable for detecting that threat for photons above 10 keV (not to be confused with your system's voltage.) Below that threshold energy the threat might be strong but the detector might not properly detect those photons. Calculate the danger based on the highest voltage you will be using - better safe then sorry.
The star ground for the system is, of course, the way to go. But a separate, i.e. redundant, ground for the metal frame is both a good idea to avoid ground loops but an extra safety precaution. Certainly, using a home Earth ground (such as a metal water pipe to a well) as a redundant extra ground is a good practice. For instance, if any of my detector system touches my power supply cabinet, I get a lot of false counts.
I too do not know about the Chinese leak valves available and if they are any good - maybe some high vac grease on its internal o-ring for the needle shaft would help. But it certainly does leak and that isn't good.
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