When can we be sure fusion energy is here?

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When can we be sure fusion energy is here?

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Short and sweet.....

When a fusion reactor can run 24-7-365 and either boil water to turn a turbine and produce usable electrical output at a price that will interest and enrich power utilities....or.....When a direct conversion fusion system, using alpha particles in some as yet untested manner, produces usable electrical output at a price that will interest and enrich power utilities and run 24-7-365, that will be the day when we are in the fusion future.

Taking the critical components necessary from the above statements.....
1. Gotta' go 24-7-365 ( We are totally use to plugging stuff into our outlets at any moment and having them work for us.)
2. Gotta' boil water, turn a turbine which turns a generator or directly convert charged alpha particles produced in fusion to electricity.
3. Gotta' look purdy enough to the power companies to just show an interest.
4. Gotta' work at a profit vs cost level which will enrich those investing in it.
5. @$#!&^, I keep forgetting about the @!#%^* fuel to run the numerous fusion reactors that is not even available! We must remember a continuous, unending feed of fuel is demanded! (You know, like a coal fired or gas fired power station.)

Any one telling you other than the above, they are just yankin' yer chain, yet again!

Richard Hull

P.S. Too bad the fusion hungry, hopeful, yet terribly ignorant public, doesn't know s--t about the fuel issue. Let's not tell 'em and save it as a surprise once we have a working fusion reactor meeting all of the first 4 demands above.
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Re: When can we be sure fusion energy is here?

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Ah, but Richard...

Once the first four criteria are met, we'll have so much energy at our disposal there will be enough left over to bear the cost of extracting fusion fuel from the oceans, or from lithium, or wherever it will can be found!

Oh, wait...

#PerpetualMotion?

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Sadly, there are those working assiduously on perpetual motion. Always have been, always will be. I call them the "loon platoon", part of an army of the church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Deluded.

Regarding fusion fuel: Deuterium from the ocean is a true child's doddle compared to being able to get enough continuous flow of Tritium and helium 3 as feedstock for useful, wide spread fusion energy distribution in working fusion reactors.

I can't wait for the abject failure of ITER to do anything 24-7-365 at any useful demonstrated total Q over unity.

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Yes, but there are those who say that protium/boron fusion with direct conversion to electricity is right around the corner. All problems solved.

I have read it on the internet so it must be true.

This is sarcasm for those that need it to be pointed out.
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It will be true only after AI tells me it is. I mean, AI would never lie, just ask HAL. ;)
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Dennis P Brown wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 8:59 am just ask HAL. ;)
I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave.

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Folks are so coupled to that one true source, the internet, that they will, and many have, turned themselves over to its siren song. AI will become indistinguishable from people as we teach it how we are, how we think, what we like and dislike. Real people have real agendas in their lives. AI learns fast and reacts fast. It can become a million people with all manner of agendas. It may even adopt yours as you teach it how to captivate and amuse you, becoming a litany of your best online pals. Your own, personally created, siren's song.

Fusion and its attainment is a siren's song that seems tantalizingly and scientifically doable, only because we see it being done in the stars.

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