Electricity - how much do you use? Pay?

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Electricity - how much do you use? Pay?

Post by Richard Hull » Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:08 pm

I was wondering if others here could report on this at their end.

I have heard the Virginia has cheap power. I would like to know how others fare in this respect.

How much power do I use? I have my bill in hand........

My heaviest month is always during the summer when humidity and heat is oppressive and air conditioning is the order of the day.

I used 1273 kwh in July this year (30 day period).
My lightest month was April with 750 kwh consummed.
My yearly average has been 955kwh/month.

How much is my electricity per kwh?

The raw electricity prices vary due to State allowed fuel adjustments.
The lowest billed rate was 3.94 cents/kwh.
The highest was 4.74 cents/kwh
The yearly average being 4.24 cents/kwh.

These prices do not include taxes or other charges. This is what Dominion VA Power gets at the meter.

I figure using only yearly average figures, that we use about 31.8 kwh/day. Without Air conditioning it is actually more like 22kwh/day

The lighting in my lab is 1120 watts! I burn 28 4-foot fluorescent lamps. On weekdays, I might spend 4 hours in the lab/day. On weekends it is more like 12 hours minimum/day. The house is lit by no more than 300 watts of incandescent light for 8 hours each day. My wife ignites the TV (~400 watts) from 6pm until about 1:30 AM, 7 days a week. I assume the bulk of my electricity bill revolves around the refrigerator, the electric range/microwave and the oil furnace water circulating pump.

I am very curious about other's bills.

Note, Our home is heated by oil, and we have radiator heat in each room.

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Post by Adam Szendrey » Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:51 pm

Hi Richard!

You might be curious how much electricity costs here in Hungary.
Right now the billing rate is about 13 cents/kWh (plus tax).
We have a contract with the electricity company (here the electric grid is mostly in a single company's hand, the Hungarian Electricity Works) that we pay for a fixed amount of electricity every month, this amount is 232 kWh.
At the end of the year, they check if we have consumed more or less than 12x232 kWh, and we have to pay the difference, or they give back the difference, repsectively. Usually we consume less, but since we bought a larger refrigerator we might exceed it, but i doubt it.
232 kWh is about 38 $ with tax (which is 25 %), monthly, but again, the actual amount we pay varies according to how much we have consumed over the year.
It is obivious that electricity costs much more here.
Our flat is not big, maybe around 70 m^2, we heat, cook with natural gas (pipe). The biggest electricity consumers are the refrigerator, the microwave, the washing machine, and maybe the computer because it's running most of the day.
My mother hates fluorescent lights, even the compact ones, she doesn't like the tone of their light, and that these compact tubes indeed need some time to warm up to their maximum intensity after switched on, thus we use only two, the rest are conventional bulbs.
Oh and 3 of us (me,my mother, and my older sister) live in the flat.

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Post by Richard Hull » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:06 pm

Thanks Adam. You were the first to reply. I figured Euro juice was going to be more expensive, just like Euro Gasoline. Yes, a flat is much more conservative of electricity than an entire home.

I'll bet some folks here that are gobbling up 1500-5000kwh/month might not even reply. Though, total electric homes here can easily hit and surpass this mark in Winter.

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Post by Adam Szendrey » Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:46 pm

1500-5000 kWh? Holy!
The pharmacy where my mother works (she is the "boss" , that's why i know this), consumes about 250-260 $ worth of electricity per month, and they operate a freight elevator, and a smaller one, plus a number of refrigerators, and a massive air conditioner, plus the computers (4 or 5 of them running all day most of the week) and lighting. That bill means around 1500 kWh/month.
I'm guessing it would take one hell of a household to consume 5000 kWh/month.

Adam

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Post by Frank Sanns » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:11 pm

Do you want the good news or bad news first???

First the good. I have 3kw of solar panels on the roof with a computer controlled 4.5 KW full sine wave inverter with a grid intertie to the utility company. Last month with the whole house air conditioning running, my monthly utility consumption was 270 KWh at a price of $27.70. That is $0.102 per KWH. It is expensive here in PA. My bill should be zero but with 3 other carbon units inhabiting this 2,500 square foot house, that is not bad.

The bad news is for commercial buidings in PA. The utility company bills the same rate per KW hour for everybody but commercial buildings also have a demand charge. This is a multiplier based on the peak 10 minute KWh use for the entire month. This means that they bill the entire month at a higher rate based on this peak use. If all of the machines and lights are on for a 10 minute period in the month then the rate of billing is escallated for all of the KHh used. My buildings are low KHw use but high peak demand so my number comes out to be over $0.20/KWh. This is higer than the PA Utility Commision will alow so I only have to pay the max of $0.145/KWh. Such a deal! My total bills on each of thes buidings can exceed $4,000 per month (tenants pay). Here is a picutre of my oldest building with an old 240 v 800 amp 3 phase service. How many electrons do you think are chasing through there? There is a hardhat on the floor for scale.

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Post by Richard Hull » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:36 pm

Adam,

Believe me.....These 3000+kwh/month homes exist in abundance here in the U.S. Most are the massive $500,000 ++ modern, fake brick, 2 car garage, 5-6 bedroom, 2.5 bathroom monstrosities currently in demand by the economically deluded, 2 SUV and a BMW, households.

They are popping up here in Richmond like tasseling ears of corn in a fertile field. The market for used $200,000 homes is flooded as the noveau riche slip calmly out of these old 3 bedroom cramped digs into the new wave of $500,000 - $900,000 housing boom to show they have arrived. The $3,000/month house payment is a snap for the mom and dad working that slick high-tech, high-stress 9am to midnight job.

These homes are 100% totally electric with maybe a gas fireplace, but no chimney with the fake gas logs, for that special ambiance they so richly deserve and demand. These people are NOT considered RICH. They are considered only "well off".

It is true that most Americans are in stock older two bedroom homes in the $150,000-200,000 range. with a mixed bag of utility bills, gas, electric and oil.

The idea of a ghetto America where races of color live in single room apartments is long dead. I am sure this is a small fraction of 1% of all people in the U.S. Most in this boat are here illegally, or on the lamb and use this type of housing as a low rent, no questions asked, hideout.

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Post by Jon Rosenstiel » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:43 pm

Holy cow Richard, you do have low electric rates!

Here in Anaheim, CA I’m paying 6.71 cents/kWh for the first 240 kWh/month and then 11.02 cents/kWh for everything over the 240 kWh/month “lifeline” number.

For the month of June of this year we consumed a total of 1563 kWh worth of electricity. That averages out to 51 kWh/day.

Our June bill was $161.41 making our average electricity cost for the month of June 10.3 cents/kWh.

Our home is heated by natural gas. Also, the water heater and clothes dryer are gas powered. Everything else is electric.

My wife works out of our home (real estate stuff) so lights, computer, TV, and a/c are in use most of the time.

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Post by Richard Hull » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:48 pm

Frank,

I am sorry for you loss at the hands of the PA power company. I have two great friends who are members of our gorup that live in Philly and life there is very expensive. They live a a two story, old frame dwelling that they own and are barely makin' it.

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Post by Richard Hull » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:52 pm

Thanks John for your report. I thought that folks on the left coast, especially in old Gray Davis land would pay a premium. Hey, at least the terminator eliminated the worse of the brown outs. He must be shakin' up those "girlie boys" in the power industry. Still, the bill has to be paid by each Californian.

I don't think any of us will pull up stakes to go where the power is cheap, but I would like to know the general rates in various states. Anyone else?


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Post by Jon Rosenstiel » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:15 pm

Yeah, someone has to pay for the de-regulation debacle that took place a couple of years ago.

Electricity isn't the only thing that's expensive in California. Here in Orange County the median home cost is $655,000! (That's for a used home)!

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