Another Big "What If?"

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Re: Another Big "What If?"

Post by Brian McDermott » Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:47 am

This situation you describe seems to parallel the ordeal between Farnsworth and RCA over the Television. I'll let Richard and the Perfesser address that.

I don't mind the jokes at all.

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Re: Another Big "What If?"

Post by Mike Veldman » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:20 pm

When Brian gets his 12 gridded fusor power source perfected please let me know. I have several friends who keep bugging me to come up with a stable power source for this spaceship idea they have. They seem to think it's time we ventured out for our own look at the universe, remote viewing is not enough of an experience. We'll save you a seat on the joyride.

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Re: Another Big "What If?"

Post by Richard Hull » Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:18 pm

John understands people and what makes the world really go round.

Smart money sees to it they have
1. sex (brothel)
2. A get rich quick hope or carrot hung out that lures them to the promise of riches for no work. (gamlbing includes investment schemes)
3. A source of drugs and food of their choice to lose themselves when they are bored with sex and have little or no money, having lost it all in the casino (bar&grill).
4. Try not to be noticed. A low profile is a must for if they see you doing well off their money in a sober moment, you are cooked.

Folks are not great cerbartionists on whole and allow any number of siren songs to call them off hither and thither. The man who uses and satisfies their inherent weakness is on the main track to a good life of wealth and prosperity.

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Re: Another Big "What If?"

Post by 3l » Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:58 pm

Hi Guys:

You missed the legions of people who hold the coats for the lawyers. Middlemen will always get a cut no matter what!
Pimps,congressmen,senators,spokespeople,lobbiests and exwives will not be denied!
Anything usefull or next to any money source will draw these people like ants to a picnic.

Happy Fusoring!
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Re: Another Big "What If?"

Post by Coulomb » Thu May 24, 2007 10:24 pm

I know this is an old thread, but it is still a good question. How could you make the appropriate return off something so revolutionary, that would probably be easy and inexpensive to duplicate and pirate?

Because of regulatory and public relations issues, it would be very time consuming and expensive to get a fusion power plant licensed and built in the U.S. You could not build without a license, EIS, etc. But the licensing regulations and standards do not even exist. It would be a long time before the money comes in, instead of flowing out. And the value of a workable fusion technology would far more than any corporation would be willing and able to pay.

A likely candidate might be China, since they have a positive balance of trade ratio (swimming in dollars), a large manufacturing base, huge population with a growing demand for electrical power, and essentially no problem at all with regulatory issues.

You could do a lot worse than just selling the "exclusive" rights, directly to the Chinese government. (To lessen the public relations fallout, the same offer could be made first in the U.S.)

Other possibilities might be France, Japan, or South Korea, but they would all be tied for a distant second place.

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Re: Another Big "What If?"

Post by Carl Willis » Thu May 24, 2007 11:03 pm

>Because of regulatory and public relations issues, it would be very time consuming and expensive to get a fusion power plant licensed and built in the U.S.<

Supposing one had a monumental breakthrough like a benchtop fusion power plant to offer, I think your logical option would be straightforward: patent it, build it, and demonstrate it first, worry about licensing and perhaps serving a stint in the big house later (or not at all). It's all about priorities. The reality is that Investors won't touch an idea with a ten-foot pole--they only appreciate demonstrable hardware (and with sound reason). Asking for money to get the gig licensed before building it is a dead end. Just build it, win the Nobel Prize in physics, and if you turn your backyard into a Superfund site while doing it...well, at that point, people will be groveling at your knees for the privilege of being allowed to clean up your mess.

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Re: Another Big "What If?"

Post by djolds1 » Fri May 25, 2007 3:33 am

Doubt he does make any money. Not much at any rate.The example of the cotton gin in the 19th century is relevent. The patent(s) would be violated globally with impunity. Maybe the inventor gets a minor settlement after a time, but the inventor does not ride this tiger to become the next Bill Gates. Its simply too useful and too fundamental for the various nations & global interests to respect the usual law.

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Re: Another Big "What If?"

Post by Richard Hull » Fri May 25, 2007 3:06 pm

It is always nice to place the cart before the horse and dream.

Carl put it right. If you have something, build it. Demo it. Stand back so as to not get trampled by the crowd beating a path to your doorstep.

If you can't build it or can't prove it via demo. Drop it. It won't work.

There is very little energy seeking sucker money left out there unless you develop a good bunko scam and prepare for the associated jail time.

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Re: Another Big "What If?"

Post by Coulomb » Fri May 25, 2007 11:30 pm

Good points. The Cotton Gin was a VERY pertinent example.

In your opinion(s), assuming that our researcher had produced a working net positive energy output prototype without loss of life or limb, would he be advised to:
(a) conduct a public demonstration and wait for business proposals, then sell out
(b) submit evidence to recognized, accredited organizations and journals, and wait for business proposals
(c) conduct a private demonstration for a small group of major utilities and corporations
(d) contact the "Energy Czar" of the federal government, try to "grease the skids"
(e) incorporate, feed the frenzy, announce a worldwide Initial Public Offering, retain all development rights, find a hospitable country willing to allow large scale development
(f) release the technology into the public domain for the good of all mankind, feel the love, sell books, wait for the Noble Prize
(g) forget the whole thing, they don't deserve it

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Re: Another Big "What If?"

Post by djolds1 » Sat May 26, 2007 6:36 am

(Shrug)

Irrelevent. I was replying to the scenario as stated. Yes, POC is the requisite first step in validating any potentially viable fusion power tech, first actually proving it works, but that is stipulated in the scenario.

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