The canary just died

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Re: The canary just died

Post by Adam Szendrey » Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:51 pm

I kinda fear that it's the same with the climate change. It seems to be accelerating at an exponential rate, kicking up every possible prediction by mainstream weather science....And now we go..."uh,oh...umm...well..maybe we should do something? "
Yea, like reducing greenhouse gas emissions to the HALF of what it was BEFORE 1990...And they are serious about it, no kidding! Man i would love to see the impossible happen...
Too late people...Seriously...when will PREVENTION become more than a word in the dictionary?
I don't want to blame anyone who is american here, really, but a single person in the US releases an average of 25 tonns of greenhouse gases yearly. In Europe that's 12 tonns per person per year. In India it's 1 t/p/y.
And what does Bush has to say about it? (i know, who cares) He doesn't want america to be manipulated.....i ask those who live in the US here...can a sane person say anything like that regarding such a topic? Also how is it possible that american people let this **** speak for them? I mean yes, here in Hungary we currently have a similarly **** leadership, and we also let them ruin this country...so actually the question is...why do we (all over the globe) let morons take the wheel? ...really...why?

Okay, so that was my flaming for the day, let the tomatoes fly .

Adam

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Re: The canary just died

Post by Frank Sanns » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:30 pm

Politics=Popularity=Don't make waves=Don't do things that are very different=Make people feel safe=Only say what is is essential to say=Let people feel good even if they quit school, don't want to work, guzzle energy and resources, and have no idea about the big picture=Money=Good ole boys=Influence with lemmings that stick together to feel whole=Politicians and the people they govern=people that think they are patriots but have no idea how lame they really are.

and a few more but those are my vegetables for the day.

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Re: The canary just died

Post by Brian McDermott » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:53 pm

Quite frankly, not many people actualy think about the implications when they step into a car. I know I don't. When I drive, I think about paying attention to the road or how to get to where I'm going. The thought of gas only crosses my mind when I glance down at the fuel gauge. That said, I do make an effort to drive in such a way that fuel consumption is minimized.

We can sit here and talk about how bad cars and oil are, but I'm willing to bet that one's personal impact on global warming is not the first thought in mind while behind the wheel.

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Re: The canary just died

Post by Richard Hull » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:13 pm

Brian and especially Frank hit on the core ideas.

NO president or leader dare let the situation in their country, no matter what that situation is, deteriorate or change in a perceived negative manner by so much as a Jot. Not only is it political suicide, it is just not to be considered. Every action that is made in a bold and forceful manner is to be dedicated to, if not maintaining the status quo, then actually improving conditions.... RIGHT NOW......... within the election cycle, and not for future generations. RIGHT NOW is what matters not only to the politicians but the bulk of all people on the planet. Whether it is getting food for his next meal, by the starving guy in sub-Saharan Africa or buying that new $500,000 home for the upwardly mobile american dweeb. Both are intent on the physical, immediate moment, regardless of what their higher brain function might say. These are the bulk of this world and not the well meaning, cerberal, forward thinkers.

We live in an age of technological wonder THAT MUST NOT CEASE!!! It must not cease enriching us. It must not cease saving us time. It must not cease providing constant entertainment and diversion. It must not cease to provide future opportunity for advancement. It must not have significant burps of inconvenience. It must continually provide for an ever brighter future. All of the current goodies we have and enjoy must not be interfered with. Any deviation from a smooth path that inconveniences the populace, in any way, is to be avoided at all costs.

Politicians, government ideaologies, or public policies that interfere in any way with any portion of the above does so at their peril and at risk of their continued survival.

The idea that mankind as a whole is smart enough to look at future issues with a seriousness that requires actions which will produce immediate hardship or interruption of the status quo is a grand illusion.

Mankind only works for a common good with a force of untold brilliance and will power when it is thrown into the lurch and not one second before, even if millions are seen to perish through past or current inaction.

Man is adaptable and can have things change for the worse and move on, often, still overlooking the long haul game plan and ignoring visible future disaster.

Gas prices in the US is a great example. We grumbled about gas increases over the last two years. Yet, we got used to it and are now just going about our busy way pumping gas today that is twice as expensive as two years ago. Our only concern is not if we can even get gas twenty years down the road, but just how high it will get by this Christmas. A few of us are looking at maybe getting a fuel efficient vehicle for work instead of driving the 3 ton suburban every day. A few more might be thinking about getting work closer to home and avoiding the 50 minute commute to work each morning where most of the gas is being burned at stop lights or waiting in traffic jams.

But few are considering major changes beyond this immediate options. The long view is not considered.

The long view on fusion, isn't even a blip on the radar. The dream is only slightly advanced from the 1950s. The most knowledgable and honest fusioneers now realize 50 years might be needed to see fusion power plants. Much as their forebearers did. Long before fusion pushes the first watt out to be metered in homes, fission and coal will be king again.

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Re: The canary just died

Post by ebeuerle » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:57 pm

Since I know all of you are very smart people I want to throw this question out(and yes its sort of been answered in the past): How can we(members of this board) prepare for the eventual controlled metering of gasoline, increased prices on energy, increased prices on food and just about everything else we use on a daily basis? I currently live in a townhouse about 30min away from where I work in Northern Virginia. I am not allowed to put up solar panels on my roof(stupid HOA) so I figure when this all comes to a head I will probably have to move in order to deal with the price increases/lack of fuel. I would love to hear actual examples and potential projects that will make my transition easier than the uninformed. I feel that the engineering background most of us have will prove to be quite useful when the time comes but it would be nice to start discussing what we can actually do about it. If we need to start with some assumptions then lets lay those out too.
Anyone?
-Eddie B.

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Post by Richard Hull » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:22 pm

You are correct regarding these issues having been addressed here in the past.

Without being too draconian, one would ideally like to own, free and clear, no possiblity of eviction....... the smallest dwelling sufficiant to living in a modest fashion. Ideally outside of the city, with at least a large backyard, but not too remote either, unless you are prepared to grow, make and produce all you need in an isolated environment.

A small solar array for power (mostly illumination and communication) of 50 watts would be a minimum with lead acid battery storage. A water solar panel of sorts with radiator heat and a spigot for hot water draining in at least one room, is also good.

Canned goods layed up in such a manner that the stock rotates in normal use. i.e., 20 cans of corn or peas such that you always buy corn and peas that assures 20 cans are kept on hand. You cook normally with the oldest can in the pile. Other canned goods are similarly utilized in rotation.

Water, at least 50 gallons, are in storage and on hand in plastic drums and are drained and refilled every few weeks, also in rotation. A supply of candles, coleman type gas lantern, camping coleman type small cook stove or charcoal and grill.

A complete set of HAND tools for construction and gardening. NONE of these should require batteries or power.

A weapon or two including steel ball shooting, hunting, slingshot, bow with arrows, firearms one long gun (rifle), one shotgun and one hand gun and suitable ammo. You may have to hunt and or defend your stuff and your life.

Decent medical supplies, At least a first aid kit. Get and store in the fridge neosporin (only topical antibiotic with out perscription.)
Alcohol (ethenol), hydrogen peroxide, a good selection of bandages and dressings. Suture kit if you are feeling like sewing up wounds. Normally use and rotate these supplies as well.... mainly, just be prepared

I would also have a minimum of 5 or more 20lb propane cylinders filled and ready with a single little "sunflower" style heater to attach to same. An alternate is to get one big cylinder or tank of propane on your property. The great thing is that a lot of coleman camping stuff now also uses propane.

TV and radio that can use batteries or 12 volt car battery power. Go for low power consumption (small B&W tv, small portable all band SW radio.,etc)

Most of this stuff is usable daily for good home purposes anyway, but should be on hand. Other of these materials will help duing storm blackouts, local emergencies, etc.

The key is try and use and rotate all your supplies. Make sure most of your stuff will keep over time fairly well. I would develop a minimal gardening skill along with tool and construction skills.

A good set of reference books on medicine gardening and home construction projects is a must in addition to enetertaining books.

The rest can just be stored out of sight and out of the way.

It is going to be the skilled, handy person with resources in hand that sufffers the least if things go bad fast.

The above stuff is minimalistic! Others would prepare for a continuing lifestyle free of society and the "grid" and this would mean much more expense, land and talents. Others will just cover themselves with half of the stuff above and thus rely on a rather quick return to normal utilities and services.

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Re: The canary just died

Post by Adam Szendrey » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:59 pm

Regarding electronic stuff, i would vote for an LCD TV, instead of CRT, one of the portable small ones. LCDs consume much less power than CRTs. Plus (and i think that's a major advantage), the consume MUCH less space. They don't have a HV flyback which can cause fire or stuff like that (though i dobut that too much CRTs catch fire these days). Also since LCDs don't have any vacuum stuff (okay, the cold cathode tubes which act as the backlight, are vacuum tubes, but those can be replaced with strong white LEDs i think). What i mean is , that vacuum engineering is not a simple task...electronic stuff is a better thing. One can stock up a LOT of electornic components, also they are easy to come by (discarded electronic stuff).

Neon tubes are good for lighting as the consume little power, but have a limited lifetime. LEDs on the other hand have an extremely long lifetime (though i bought a couple of really cheap white leds and some of them started flickering, like strobes...i have no idea why or how).

I suppose that the good heat insulation of the dwelling is also important. Btw, one can generate heat via composting. Grass is a good fuel! I bet you can heat water to 50-70 degrees celsius with a spool of wire placed inside the compost (by circulating water through).
Heat pumps are also great. By drilling a couple of 15-20 meter deep holes, you can get all the heat you need. These systems give you 4 or 5 times the energy (heat) that is required for them to work (electric). Another option is to dig a long and/or wide trench, about 2 meters deep, and laying down the pipes there. That solution is less efficient but also works great.

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Re: The canary just died

Post by ebeuerle » Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:03 pm

Richard and Adam,
Thanks for your great always thought out replies. I am starting to collect those supplied mentioned above. Thanks for a great headstart.
-Eddie B.

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Re: The canary just died

Post by 3l » Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:32 pm

Hi Edward:

A water purifying kit is another must have item.
I have run without power for a year now and have gotten by very easily on a solar bank and windmill. A thermoelectric fridge now keeps a small variety of refrigerable goods in my daily diet.
I have reduced my bills down to 15 dollars a month for water,10-20 dollars for gasoline with 25 dollars for canned goods.
Currently I'm cutting down trees and cutting them into firewood.
Propane is out of the question for heatng this fall.

Happy Fusoring!
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Re: The canary just died

Post by Adam Szendrey » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:41 am

Hey Larry, it's really good to see you back! Though this will be a bit off topic, sorry 'bout that, but how are ya?
Crude is up to 60 a barrel i hear. Nice..But in the eighties (accordin to what i read) it went over 80. Though i think this is a lil' bit different . It went down a little, standing around 56-57 right now. Meanwhile an unprecedented series of extreme weather conditions take place all over the globe. I guess we really ***** up this place...or i'm just a little bit too pessimistic.

Adam

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