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Re: Heavy Water Electrolysis Deuterium Source

Post by Richard Hull » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:50 pm

I was given to understand at one time that they were making their own D20 via electrolysis, which would make it of extremely low grade, probably 75%.

However, it they are buying it by the drum from a reputable chemical firm with proper analysis sheets tagged to the lot and just re-bottling the stuff, then that is a totally different matter.


If I were remarketing something like this I would send along a copy of my order for the large lot drum (my cost covered up) along with a copy of the lot numbered analysis sheet from my supplier source. (it is common for chemical firms to supply lot analysis sheets with product.) This would instill a lot of buyer confidence in my re-marketed, re-packaged product. This is especially important when selling an isotopic form of water!

Frank's test helped a bit. It ain't tap water.

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Re: Heavy Water Electrolysis Deuterium Source

Post by Andrew Seltzman » Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:30 am

I just bought 100g of heavy water on the web from a supplier that distributes NMR grade deuterated solvents. It cost $55, $10 less then Uniter Nuclear. It is 99.9%, was very profesionaly packed, and came with a MSDS. For larger quantities UN is not the best place to buy from (price wise).

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Re: Heavy Water Electrolysis Deuterium Source

Post by Roberto Ferrari » Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:10 pm

Richard,
Yo are right, Pd membrane will take a time to let the D2 go through.
An H2 commercial generator, with a cell of 6 Pd tubes -very thin walls- each with approx. 1000 mm2 active surface (approx. 120 mm long x 3 mm diam) can supply continuously 150 ml/min.
So, a single tube can approx. supply 25 ml/min. If not enough to feed the fusor, a modified Andrew's generator with a Pd tube can be run for an hour prior to use and the D2 collected in a small intermediary reservoir, in order to feed the fusor for a time.
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Re: Heavy Water Electrolysis Deuterium Source

Post by Adam Szendrey » Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:51 pm

What's the name of the supplier?

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Re: Heavy Water Electrolysis Deuterium Source

Post by Adam Szendrey » Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:45 pm

I may have found them:

[color=#FF0000]admin note 160322[/color] : 11+ year old dead link to wilmad-labglass-dot-com has been deleted.

Somebody let us know if you an find another source of heavy water. [/color]


They list 100 g of 99.9 % D2O for $55.
I have sent an email to their regional representative, asking if this item is avaliable in this region.
Thanks for pointing out that there are cheaper sources for D2O, Andrew.

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Post by Andrew Seltzman » Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:46 am

Yes, wilmad labglass was the supplier.

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Re: Heavy Water Electrolysis Deuterium Source

Post by Richard Hull » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:17 pm

I assume the ml/min figures are for STP. If it is then 25ml/min STP would be more than enough.

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Re: Heavy Water Electrolysis Deuterium Source

Post by Roberto Ferrari » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:41 pm

Yes Richard,

you are right, at STP conditions.

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Re: Heavy Water Electrolysis Deuterium Source

Post by Adam Szendrey » Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:38 pm

Hi guys,

I have sent an email a while back to UN, to ask them if they can provide a certificate.
Here is their reply:

"Yes, we can provide certification un request.
We supply Heavy Water to most Universities and they also require purity certification and ACS traceable certificates for their analysis and work.
Certification is available for any of out Reagent chemicals."

I haven't got a reply from Wilmad-Labglass yet.

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Re: Heavy Water Electrolysis Deuterium Source

Post by Starfire » Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:42 pm

Aldrich will supply Deuterium Oxide Ultra - D at 99.999 atom % isotopic purity certified ( cat ref 61.340-1 ) -- $120 for 10g

But Richard is correct - Palladium foil is the best drying filter/barrier but it takes a very long time for the D2 to permeate. It works better with a heated foil. Was used in;-

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image one.

The pallidium foil is the sealed filter in photo on the left calibrated electrolyliser. This calibrated tube ( 1ml syringe ) allowed gas transfer volume to be measured. The Oxygen side recorded the total O produced and was proportional to the total gas ratio at one bar.
The amount of gas needed for a Fusor is tiny
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