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And, the bleat goes on...and on

Richard Hull

Time to stop feeding this troll.

Chris64Strev wrote:
> I did another experiment today. Here I used a Pyrex test tube containing hydrogen at a pressure of 3 Tor. The reactor was excited with 100 Watt RF at 3.7 MHz. It settled down quickly and by tuning the reactor I found that the reverse power could not be reduced to below 2 Watt. I surmise that this power in being generated in the gas by fusion of protons.
> The radiation level was only slightly above background. Here is my video of the run.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzT4QA6ymLU
> This second video shows the background after the exciter was turned off.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJFa7qcujXA

This result only implies a mismach. This could be due to power being generated in the plasma or just a mismatch.

I do not like being called a troll, after all the Fusor itself does not do very much, as I try to be a serious experimentor.

I do not know enough theory to do an analysis so I rely on my experiments. I am trying to demonstrate the evolution of electrical power from the device. I do have a theory but I find it difficult to communicate as I lack the ability to turn my thoughts into words and mathematics.

Theory means nothing without experiments.

It is my opinion that experiments are above theory. The process of science starts with an observation then we have make a theory which starts in one man's mind and then we try an experiment to verify the hunch. This is slowly refined until something useful appears or the line reaches the buffers and we have to leave the train.

My original observation was when I was a child of about 6 playing on the floor with a child's shocking coil (this was a coil with an interuptor driven by a 4.5 volt battery that generated voltages high enough to give an electric shock) and a spectral tube that was either hydrogen or deuterium filled. In my random childish playing I put the tube inside the coil instead on attaching the electrodes and I found that the buzzing continued long after the battery was disconnected. This was purely by chance.

At present I am merely trying to repeat this chance observation.

I thought that the power to run this came from fusion many years later when I heard about the "hydrogen" bomb. (I now know that this does not run on hydrogen).

My limited recall from memory from the time I was about ten was that my Uncle Arthur had made a working engine that ran on reduced pressure atmospheric air. And wanted to market this new source of power. But he was imprisoned because the british authorities thought he had a tame poltergiest in the tube and given a frontal leucotomy. He never did anything like that again but worked as a postal clerk until he retired and lived as his sisters sex slave. He lost his girl friend to his brother because his mind had gone.

I would like to try the original experiment again but that design "tesla coil" is no longer made. I have ordered a deuterium spectral tube for about ten dollars so I could try that in my coil.

There is a nasty history here as mum was also lucotomised at about 94 in connection with this case in order to silence her and I was also treated to get rid of me but my brain regerated.

When I was at RSRS (UK) we made one which started up but I cannot recall the details for the same reason of medical intervention.

I have enough recollection to say that British Warships have similar fusion engines as their power source.

I am bound by the Official Secrets Act but under the thirty year rule I can talk as it may help the global energy crisis and global warming.

The effect was originally descibed by tesla and used by the Nazis to start off with but the British smashed all the technologists and destroyed the knowlege.

It is a British secret that this "tesla engine" worked.

The British did not want it as it would destabilise their ecomony with the rest of the world.

My friends made a working commercial one but after we sought permission to produce it for sale this was not granted as there is no way that money can be made from it. It is classified as too dangerous for commercial use. This ran on hydrogen. They were all down for execution by lobotomy.

As you know deuterium fusion generates neutrons so I will not try to run it here in my tiny upstairs back bedroom.

I fear a knock on the door at 9:30 am when they may come to take me away once again.

I was shot by the police a few months ago but the round bounced off something in my coat and I did not die. They may come again, it was just two that time the next time it was six. I'm surprised they let me out(!).

Nazi Tesla fusion engines...state secrets protected by lobotomy..."tame poltergeists" and sexual slavery...

Banter like this thoroughly impeaches any vestige of credibility you may have had, preemptively rendering further contributions from you on fusor.net pointless! Maybe there's an audience for you on Art Bell's late-night radio show. There is no reason to hear from you again here though. Resurrecting this thread again will be a sign of poor faith and purely self-serving motives, and should be sufficient grounds for deleting your account. Move along...

He IS experimenting, though, Carl, which seems to be more than you've done in a long time.

While peoples personal circumstances shouldn't preclude them from posting here, I agree with you that it is not relevant.

While I saw no evidence of fusion power when I was working at the site where Rolls Royce build fission reactors for the Royal Navy, and I don't understand the experiment Chris Strevens is attempting, I wish he would provide more details of his setup, so that we may offer some 'constructive criticism'.

>He IS experimenting, though, Carl, which seems to be more than you've done in a long time.

P'shaw.

Since when have you been a reliable arbiter of what other people are doing or have done? I mean, do you have a leg to stand on here? Your own statements on record show that you have no understanding whatsoever of what I do. Need a reminder of that?

God, this forum has gone to hell in a freaking handbasket over the last year.

-Carl

Carl, I don't want to get dragged into another 'mud slinging' contest, but what exactly do you do?

>Carl, I don't want to get dragged into another 'mud slinging' contest, but what exactly do you do?

Dragged? Ash, my boy, you veritably dove into this one by accusing me of not doing experiments "in a long time!" If you're out to point a finger at someone for slinging mud, find a mirror.

You joined this forum with much fanfare and bloviation half a year ago. Since which time your experimental record has been identically NIL. That's not a problem; we have lots of lurkers and occasional contributors. What is a problem is that your record of noisemaking in that same time period has been the most prolific of any contributor over the past decade of this board's existence, and furthermore, you somehow think you can call out others for not doing experiments.

Find a mirror.

Jeazus!

-Carl

Carl Willis wrote:
> Nazi Tesla fusion engines...state secrets protected by lobotomy..."tame poltergeists" and sexual slavery...
>
> Banter like this thoroughly impeaches any vestige of credibility you may have had, preemptively rendering further contributions from you on fusor.net pointless! Maybe there's an audience for you on Art Bell's late-night radio show. There is no reason to hear from you again here though. Resurrecting this thread again will be a sign of poor faith and purely self-serving motives, and should be sufficient grounds for deleting your account. Move along...

I won't mention it again but that is what happened, it is all around me. The shrinks visit every four hours or so.... They say they want to "cut the delusions out of my head". It is murder actually.

I just repeated the experiment with the tube containing hydrogen at 10^-4 Tor and as the gas heated up the radiated power increased as did the VSWR. I found I could tune the reactor so the reverse power went to zero but the radiated power meter read the same.

I won't be satisfied until the unit self oscillates with the exciter switched off. That is the result I am looking for.

This might happen with deuterium as its ignition temperature is much lower than hydrogen.

Don't be surpsised if I go silent. The shrinks will have got me.

Please do not be such bad sports as to delete my account...

Chris.

Your not going to start evading questions again, are you, Carl.

In the nine months or so that I've been on this site, I don't recall you posting on any experimental work.

I've done the basic research, and I'm now building a system. As I've said before, recent progress has been slow, due to working away, for a company that produces ion etch and vapour deposition systems.

I only took the job to further my research into plasma technology.

I'll also be moving later this month, but I'm still collecting components for my system.

If you don't have anything constructive to say.....(I can't believe I'm being dragged into this again)

>Your not going to start evading questions again, are you, Carl.

What questions? Since when has this thread been about me? If you have questions about what I do, either here, or professionally, or whatever, you can figure that out with the same resources you keep getting told to use on 99.9% of your other inquiries. If you have further questions that are particular to what I do and don't concern anyone else, you can email them to me. You know how to do that, because you have a history of sending me flame mail.

I think you probably ought to just admit what's obvious from your accusations, and reconcile yourself with the fact that you don't know me.

>I don't recall you posting

That's more like it! Glad we got that cleared up.


-Carl

Carl said

"Your own statements on record show that you have no understanding whatsoever of what I do."

Then what do you mean by the above statement?

I understand you work for a company that supplies small accelerators. Correct me if I'm mistaken. I've worked on larger accelerators myself. I now build plasma systems, and I've shared plenty of 'tips' on here.

I don't know everything about ion sources, but I'm learning.

I am, however, an expert when it comes to stainless steel.

Also, I don't consider a year to be an excessively long time to spend researching fusors before I build one.

>>...Nazi tesla engines...<<

>>>...God, this forum has gone to hell in a freaking handbasket over the last year.<<<

Urgh. Is this really what things have come down to? Needless to say (well, maybe not...) seeing this whole contentious line of discourse erupting again discourages me greatly.

I have just spent the better part of the past year extracting myself from an densely convoluted parallel universe where facts are fiction and fiction is facts and nobody really gives a rip whether the two are ever separated. All that time, I've thought of this forum as a beacon of reason, built on a solid foundation of empirical evidence with an a occasional sprinkling of flights of fancy -- but always coming back to the fundamental principal of.... "show me."

I personally am at a point right now -- given the turn of not only a new year but a new decade (depending on how you count to ten...) -- and I find myself purging a lot of things that have not served me in the recent past and so offer little pretense of any promise in the future. You know, the old saw about " doing the same thing an expecting different results..."?

Granted, I have not been an active participant in this space for some time. There are a lot of reasons for that and perhaps I will explore them at some time in the future when the dust from my other recent travails settles. In the meantime, I continue to gladly and willingly host this site at my expense, which is not exorbitant but is not nothing, either. And then there are the times when I have to do some administrative chores -- like deleting the sort of threads that this one seems to be turning into. That all goes with the territory, in which I continue to have an ongoing if not particularly active interest.

So at at time when I am seriously trying to decide what in my life has purpose "going forward" and what deserves to be jettisoned, it is disheartening to come here and discover that there is still an inclination for the discussion here to veer off from its usual constructive tone in to sniping accusations and snarky commentary.

All of the preceding brings me to a simple three word conclusion, which I direct at no one in particular and -- and at precisely those individuals who at times demonstrate a slant toward trivial and contentious word-play.

Three words: "Knock It Off."

OK, Happy New Year,

--PS

P.S. Whoever posted the 'Nazi tesla engine' business, I'm sure you believe what you believe, and that's your right, but frankly I have had my fill of such speculations for a lifetime. What does Joseph Farrell call it, "circumstantial physics"? What a load of bat-shit. Not on my site, fella.

So, unless you've got something you can actually SHOW ME, (you know, like most of the people here can show me their fusion experiments, however low-yield they may be), I respectfully (but not patiently) ask that you take such statements elsewhere. There are plenty of places on the Internets that welcome such speculation. This is site is NOT one of them. 'Nuff said?

Here is the video of my latest experiment. Not much happens as it is a spent tube. I cannot afford new ones. It does show a burst of power during the ten minute run.

I did another experiment this evening and here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UlcNwKMHvc
This was done with low pressure hydrogen. The effect is weakening as it is a spent tube.

Chris.

I did the experiment with a deuterium spectral tube excited by high voltage as well as the rf field.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Q9bBfqHOA

When I uploaded the video to U tube I could only get 56 seconds to load and that took 9 hours to upload on a 100 MBts cable line indicating that a very large file had been generated containing a huge number of errors. This indicates that radiation was being received by the digital camera. The gieger counter did show strong activity but that does not show neutrons and that amount of activity does not normally affect the camera so it looks like a large count of neutrons were generated that effected the camera indicating the fusion was going on.

Chris.

It is absolutely incredibly unlikely that neutrons would cause a digital video camera to generate an excessively large file that still contains all the video data (whereas there are dozens of reasons that the video may have taken quite a while to transmit despite a fast internet connection). This is zero proof of neutrons. You'll need to get a better detector to make any claim that anyone will believe regarding neutron production.

>This indicates that radiation was being received by the digital camera.

>a large count of neutrons were generated that effected the camera indicating the fusion was going on.

These conclusions are not supported by the experiment, nor are they supported by a common-sense, informed background in the subject matter. They are uncritically pulled out of thin air.

The poster persistently refuses to consider or acknowledge mundane and simple alternatives to fusion, neutrons, radiation, etc. that can readily explain the RF issues, camera problems, etc. offered in evidence. This is a pattern, and it is a pattern of abuse.

Having reached such a dead end long ago, I'm in favor of terminating this thread with extreme prejudice. Fusor.net ought to remain a venue for reality-based discussions and should not be an open podium for persistently unscientific offerings. There's room to be open-minded, but there's no place for obstinate hogwash.

-Carl

Hello:

I think that everyone would be best served here to review their own internal approach to the issue of fusion.

Yes experiments can reveal wonderful things, which are sometimes not explained or even predicted by the theory, but to be fair, this only happens when the theory is incomplete, or flawed in some way.

When a theory is pursued on "faith", or on a "belief", then the same parameters apply, which hold true for faith, and religion. If we choose to go here, then we need to apply what I call the "faith insanity test", which can then be used to further define the issue, and to restore a productive path.

The point at which religion, or faith, crosses the line, separating sane, from insane, can be simply defined as:

"When faith is maintained, in the face of proof to the contrary "

So if proof can be found, and it can then be supported, it stands, if not then it falls into the dust bin of history, and it deserves no further consideration.

I suggest to everyone to redirect your efforts into finding proof, and support, this is a most noble quest. At the same time however, do keep your mind open to proof to the contrary, which can be a scientists greatest gift, because it helps provide direction, in the path of discovery. I am sure that history is littered with brilliant minds, which were spent in trying to find the corner, from within the sphere.

Good Luck to All : )

I think I'm in agreement with you, Lutz, but the guy has seen critique of his unscientific, conclusion-heavy presentation time, time, and time again. Paul, the moderator, has warned him.

At this point it's a matter of executive removal, because the warning has already come from "on high." The only logical remedy is a flat-out "chavectomy" without hindrance or delay.

-Carl

Carl /Lutz

I agree
looking back at my post on the activation of Fe with 12MeV protons the neut field was so intense that it toasted a brand new CCD camera 2 metres away from the beam giving the camera a multicoloured starry background --for life. Yes my file size was large but of the expected size due to the digitising equip and the resolution of the camera.
CCDs are more susceptable to neuts than other forms of electronics so I wasn't surprised

A quick note to Lutz and Carl
We have NEC here @ work @ the moment installing our new Accelerator

Spent most of the day shifting the analyising magnet to its permanent position all 7 tonnes of it ---pics soon in a new post

Lutz -- it is insulated with SF6 no mix @ 80PSI and yes it has scrubbers to get rid of the F- products from breakdowns during conditioning

I will try to obtain a neutron detector. I believe they use a plastic material containing anthacene wrapped in aluminium foil. They are in the form of a rod with a photomultiplier to detect scintillations flashes of light when hit by something and then the amplitude of the pulse and shielding to reduce other particles from hitting the plastic to isolate neutrons.

I think they would be too expensive for me.

So I will shut up.

I do listen to criticism if I understand it.