Ray Tomes has a Harmonics Theory:
http://ray.tomes.biz/cymatics.htm
It gets interesting near the bottom of the page:
http://ray.tomes.biz/maths.html
The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics
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JosephBlow
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Thanks Joseph - interesting but like all theories the fundimental question is not addressed - what is the nature of the medium that supports these waves - magnetic, electric or gravitational - and what is this apparant eternal energy source to create, sustain and keep the particle/wave alive and in existance for billions of years since the initial poof ( bangs are relative ) ?? - Waves diminish in field strenght according to the root law with their propagation through space expanding spherically, But these particle waves seem to be eternal, of constant energy and do not propagate. - ? ? Perhaps they propagate only in time and are temporal in nature. He addresses only the effects and properties, not the question of their fundimental nature. A mathmatical hypothesis without a basis of measurement -
Opps! I can always look - but by doing so I will have changed the magic and it won't be there ( Have I changed the medium by looking or the wave? ) - not to worry I live in Ireland and we do have fairy's at the bottom of the garden here.
Opps! I can always look - but by doing so I will have changed the magic and it won't be there ( Have I changed the medium by looking or the wave? ) - not to worry I live in Ireland and we do have fairy's at the bottom of the garden here.
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Joseph -
Mr Tomes is re-discovering the physics of transverse waves and the effects of boundary conditions. This is a very interesting class of mathematical physics. Take a look a drum head vibrations and for that matter the mechanical models used to demonstrate band gaps in semiconductors... large arrays of coupled harmonic oscillators.
These folks did a nice set of experiments, the likes of which you can probably still see in the PSSC High School Advanced Placement Physics books where they used water waves.
The math is not particularly easy... usually either Fourier Series, Bessel Functions or Legendre Polynomials depending on the boundaries, but the harmonic functions are very well known.. Not sure there's any (new) mysteries being discovered by a mechanically driven vibrating tray of water.
Certainly there's a far greater need to master the existing physics, rather than try to invent something new.
Dave Cooper
Mr Tomes is re-discovering the physics of transverse waves and the effects of boundary conditions. This is a very interesting class of mathematical physics. Take a look a drum head vibrations and for that matter the mechanical models used to demonstrate band gaps in semiconductors... large arrays of coupled harmonic oscillators.
These folks did a nice set of experiments, the likes of which you can probably still see in the PSSC High School Advanced Placement Physics books where they used water waves.
The math is not particularly easy... usually either Fourier Series, Bessel Functions or Legendre Polynomials depending on the boundaries, but the harmonic functions are very well known.. Not sure there's any (new) mysteries being discovered by a mechanically driven vibrating tray of water.
Certainly there's a far greater need to master the existing physics, rather than try to invent something new.
Dave Cooper
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Hi Dave,
This true, not much new in a shaking tray of water. But you may not have read through to the bottom of Mr. Tomes's "maths" link. At the very bottom he states that the Big Bang did not occur.
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There are many reports of regular spacings in "things", ranging from nucleons and atoms through to planets, galaxies and even galactic clusters. This regularity is evidence for waves underlying things. The reason for "things" being in quotes is that once the wave nature of all things is properly understood it is found that there are in fact no such things as things. There are only waves and processes. When we watch the surf, we see waves come travelling in and hitting the shore to fall away and die. However the wave is not a thing, it is a trick of mind following the eye, seeing a process of adjacent regions rising and falling as a moving thing when in fact no thing actually does that motion that we see as a wave.
Similarly when we watch TV we see images of people moving about on the screen, but actually they do not move, they are constantly reconstructed by electrons hitting the screen. Even my explanation in terms of this thing called the electron is equally wrong because the moving electron is also an illusion of energy arriving at adjacent locations in a stream that makes the appearance of a thing. This is the essential nature of matter that wave energy arrives wave after wave at a central location which may even be moving, and after passing through the centre travels out again as the other half of the standing wave that makes it seem like a thing wobbling in place.
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Another fun quote:
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No Big Bang
Although the Harmonics theory was described above in terms of the non-linearity of standard physics wave equations, that is not how it was discovered. That was the result of trying connect an already successful theory with the prevailing scientific view. In that prevailing view there was one thing that was entirely unacceptable to the Harmonics theory reconciling with accepted physics, and that was the Big Bang theory. The Harmonics theory logically follows from Maxwell's equations and General Relativity but requires that the universe must be much older than Big Bang cosmology and have continuous wave communication between its parts to gradually develop harmonics over many cycles of oscillation of even large scales such as the Hubble scale. That is, the Harmonics theory is an oscillating universe theory, a view that has been flirted with by cosmologists at times. Also, the Harmonics theory is very clear in the order of formation from the top down and not the bottom up. This easily explains the large scale structure in the universe such as the very clear galactic supercluster scale which, although very clearly observed, is largely swept under the carpet in Big Bang circles because it just does not fit with the theory.
This true, not much new in a shaking tray of water. But you may not have read through to the bottom of Mr. Tomes's "maths" link. At the very bottom he states that the Big Bang did not occur.
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There are many reports of regular spacings in "things", ranging from nucleons and atoms through to planets, galaxies and even galactic clusters. This regularity is evidence for waves underlying things. The reason for "things" being in quotes is that once the wave nature of all things is properly understood it is found that there are in fact no such things as things. There are only waves and processes. When we watch the surf, we see waves come travelling in and hitting the shore to fall away and die. However the wave is not a thing, it is a trick of mind following the eye, seeing a process of adjacent regions rising and falling as a moving thing when in fact no thing actually does that motion that we see as a wave.
Similarly when we watch TV we see images of people moving about on the screen, but actually they do not move, they are constantly reconstructed by electrons hitting the screen. Even my explanation in terms of this thing called the electron is equally wrong because the moving electron is also an illusion of energy arriving at adjacent locations in a stream that makes the appearance of a thing. This is the essential nature of matter that wave energy arrives wave after wave at a central location which may even be moving, and after passing through the centre travels out again as the other half of the standing wave that makes it seem like a thing wobbling in place.
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Another fun quote:
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No Big Bang
Although the Harmonics theory was described above in terms of the non-linearity of standard physics wave equations, that is not how it was discovered. That was the result of trying connect an already successful theory with the prevailing scientific view. In that prevailing view there was one thing that was entirely unacceptable to the Harmonics theory reconciling with accepted physics, and that was the Big Bang theory. The Harmonics theory logically follows from Maxwell's equations and General Relativity but requires that the universe must be much older than Big Bang cosmology and have continuous wave communication between its parts to gradually develop harmonics over many cycles of oscillation of even large scales such as the Hubble scale. That is, the Harmonics theory is an oscillating universe theory, a view that has been flirted with by cosmologists at times. Also, the Harmonics theory is very clear in the order of formation from the top down and not the bottom up. This easily explains the large scale structure in the universe such as the very clear galactic supercluster scale which, although very clearly observed, is largely swept under the carpet in Big Bang circles because it just does not fit with the theory.
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Another fun quote:
http://ray.tomes.biz/bigbangbung.html
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This idea of waves in and out of particles was first put forward by de Broglie. Later Wheeler and Feynman almost got to the right answer. They had in and out waves called advance and retarded waves. These ideas are central to the variable particle mass idea promoted by Narlikar, Hoyle and Arp. Wheeler and Feynman just got confused about how a wave knew how to converge on the right location for an event and felt that they needed "waves going back in time" to make it work. Still they accepted this weirdness and went ahead. The correct result is clear and requires no backwards time travelling waves. Physics has to change to accomodate this very clear evidence from cosmology. Particles are just processes and not things. They are no more absolute than anything else in the universe. All particles are standing waves. A standing wave does not have to know where to converge. The "particle" is where the waves converge. It moves about as the point of convergence moves about. There is nothing else than the waves converging. But that is another story.
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And that about wraps it up.
http://ray.tomes.biz/bigbangbung.html
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This idea of waves in and out of particles was first put forward by de Broglie. Later Wheeler and Feynman almost got to the right answer. They had in and out waves called advance and retarded waves. These ideas are central to the variable particle mass idea promoted by Narlikar, Hoyle and Arp. Wheeler and Feynman just got confused about how a wave knew how to converge on the right location for an event and felt that they needed "waves going back in time" to make it work. Still they accepted this weirdness and went ahead. The correct result is clear and requires no backwards time travelling waves. Physics has to change to accomodate this very clear evidence from cosmology. Particles are just processes and not things. They are no more absolute than anything else in the universe. All particles are standing waves. A standing wave does not have to know where to converge. The "particle" is where the waves converge. It moves about as the point of convergence moves about. There is nothing else than the waves converging. But that is another story.
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And that about wraps it up.
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It sounds like that guy and I have a very similar view of nature. I think he makes quite a few premature assertions. We don't really know the shape of the universe or exactly how wave affect it so I'm not convinced we can so simply find out how it evolves in space and time.
But, one of the things is realizing that all waves in nature have energy, and the energy and space and time are not linear. From general relativity we know how energy and space-time interact. I'm sure everyone has read about how the sun's gravity bends light's path. But how often is it mentioned that the light actually bends the sun's path too? Electromagetic waves have an exact energy described by E = hf (energy of a quanta), which couples through space-time to accelerate all the matter in the sun by a very small bit.
This is very interesting because any potential field has an exact amount of energy contained within it if you integrate the potential through all of space. Since gravity is described as such a field, by logical induction, the energy of the photon exists spread through all of space in the form of gravitation potential, in addition to propogating as EM potentials. So, potential and other forms of energy aren't mutually exclusive. What we think of as kinetic energy is still bound to all of space through some field, which means we can't think of "things" as self-contained.
But, one of the things is realizing that all waves in nature have energy, and the energy and space and time are not linear. From general relativity we know how energy and space-time interact. I'm sure everyone has read about how the sun's gravity bends light's path. But how often is it mentioned that the light actually bends the sun's path too? Electromagetic waves have an exact energy described by E = hf (energy of a quanta), which couples through space-time to accelerate all the matter in the sun by a very small bit.
This is very interesting because any potential field has an exact amount of energy contained within it if you integrate the potential through all of space. Since gravity is described as such a field, by logical induction, the energy of the photon exists spread through all of space in the form of gravitation potential, in addition to propogating as EM potentials. So, potential and other forms of energy aren't mutually exclusive. What we think of as kinetic energy is still bound to all of space through some field, which means we can't think of "things" as self-contained.
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Joseph...
I think I got the essence of Tomes was promoting. The topic is so vast, it seems to me ludicrous to make a bunch of sweeping generalizations about the nature of things...and presume this proves anything.
Consider the "simple" issue of the apparent size of the universe. If objects, (whatever they are caused by, they are at least some localizations of energy) are widely displaced in space, we at our vantage point, do not know nor can we know what they are doing at this instant, (unless there is a yet undiscovered medium of energy propagation that travels with infinite speed). All our information appears to be retarded by some amount proportional to the object's displacement from us.
We may make measurements in "real time", our real time, but we have no objective way to know anything about what propagation phenomena were at work while these "waves" were enroute to us, over the course of eons.
We are certainly justified to extraplolate our local understanding of experimental physics to far distant reaches of the universe and make the logical conclusions drawn from these principles.
It is most assuredly one view of the "big picture". As to whether it is a correct one, we are more or less powerless to do more than assert. One may well derive a version of the Universe from first principles as we define them, and then proceed to change the boundary conditions (if that actually has any meaning at T=0) and observe the modeled changes. But to verify that model with a set of experiments.... well, you need to speak with the Almighty.
FWIW.
Dave Cooper
I think I got the essence of Tomes was promoting. The topic is so vast, it seems to me ludicrous to make a bunch of sweeping generalizations about the nature of things...and presume this proves anything.
Consider the "simple" issue of the apparent size of the universe. If objects, (whatever they are caused by, they are at least some localizations of energy) are widely displaced in space, we at our vantage point, do not know nor can we know what they are doing at this instant, (unless there is a yet undiscovered medium of energy propagation that travels with infinite speed). All our information appears to be retarded by some amount proportional to the object's displacement from us.
We may make measurements in "real time", our real time, but we have no objective way to know anything about what propagation phenomena were at work while these "waves" were enroute to us, over the course of eons.
We are certainly justified to extraplolate our local understanding of experimental physics to far distant reaches of the universe and make the logical conclusions drawn from these principles.
It is most assuredly one view of the "big picture". As to whether it is a correct one, we are more or less powerless to do more than assert. One may well derive a version of the Universe from first principles as we define them, and then proceed to change the boundary conditions (if that actually has any meaning at T=0) and observe the modeled changes. But to verify that model with a set of experiments.... well, you need to speak with the Almighty.
FWIW.
Dave Cooper
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Wasn't this all covered in my April first unified field theory?
Rod
Rod
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Consider the "simple" issue of the apparent size of the universe. If objects, (whatever they are caused by, they are at least some localizations of energy) are widely displaced in space, we at our vantage point, do not know nor can we know what they are doing at this instant, (unless there is a yet undiscovered medium of energy propagation that travels with infinite speed). All our information appears to be retarded by some amount proportional to the object's displacement from us.
Dave c, ,Cd and the rest.........suppose we evaluate "influence" or how 'influence' is manifested cosmologically and quantumly.
Does our understanding of 'instantaneous' have velocity or accleration components???? I don't believe so it possesses omniscient attriutes which for now are ineffale , however, we do not have to assume that what we vwant to 'see' has to be seen from what has been the historical perspective do we??????
When we think of 'potential energy'.....the phrase is a scalar descriptor unit less isn't it?????scalar entities are neat because they don't have to drag around all those descriptors like m/s etc
and when they work together synergisticalkly they beget a 'vector'.....
Is this a valid question?...........
WHAT IS THE TOTAL 'POTENTIAL ENERGY' OF THE
UNIVERSE??
an yway ......... (my wife's bugging right now)....that a vector with kinetic enery and a lawyer later TBC
frank p.
Dave c, ,Cd and the rest.........suppose we evaluate "influence" or how 'influence' is manifested cosmologically and quantumly.
Does our understanding of 'instantaneous' have velocity or accleration components???? I don't believe so it possesses omniscient attriutes which for now are ineffale , however, we do not have to assume that what we vwant to 'see' has to be seen from what has been the historical perspective do we??????
When we think of 'potential energy'.....the phrase is a scalar descriptor unit less isn't it?????scalar entities are neat because they don't have to drag around all those descriptors like m/s etc
and when they work together synergisticalkly they beget a 'vector'.....
Is this a valid question?...........
WHAT IS THE TOTAL 'POTENTIAL ENERGY' OF THE
UNIVERSE??
an yway ......... (my wife's bugging right now)....that a vector with kinetic enery and a lawyer later TBC
frank p.
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics
Hi Frank,
This post in another physics forum intrigued me and is related to your excellent question about the potential energy of the universe.
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First, a bit of digging provided promising info.
Certain frequencies (and their harmonics) caused by earthquakes have wavelengths long enough to set the Earth in a "free oscillation" state (standing wave). These move in 2 ways: spheroidal (toward the Earth's center) and toroidal (away from), and are similar to (but not exactly) P-waves and S-waves (compressional / shear).
The "medium" that they oscillate in is gravitational attraction and elasticity.
The rotation of the Earth comes into play, as well as distance from center, etc. Which seems similar to the link to gravitiomagnetism that you (Tom) provided, as well as the question at hand.
segway > question at hand
Here is my idea for an experiment(s):
Construct a "tuned" tube about 3' dia. by a full wave distance, which for 12 hz is 27.5833 meters. Along nodal and antinodal points, attach ribbon microphones (which measure pressure velocity) at 4 equidistant points inside the tube. At one end, mount an 18" speaker and enclosure with built in amplifier and tone generator. Also attatch a device on the coil to accuratley (1000mm?) measure the "throw" of the speaker (magnet to coil relative positions) to serve as a control at the generation end of the wave.
At the other end, suspended from the sides so as to be in the center of the tube, and just past the end would be another sensor. I have a couple of different ideas, but it suffices to say that this sensor would measure the rate of atomic tunneling. It has been shown that when "relaxed state phonons" (the equilibrium or resonant frequency of a poly-atomic(+) molecules) in certain solids and crystals is changed, the rate of tunneling can be determined and/or controlled.
Essentialy, this sensor is like a tuned cicuit, and once made will always react the same to a specific frequency. So any deviations in the signal wave arriving at the end of the tube would show up in the rate of tunneling, and could be mapped out using the data from the ribbon mics pressure velocity readings along it's path.
Now to alter the magnetic field. We are going to do it the easy way, by changing location in a fixed field (along the Earth's lines of flux). The experiment would run at several angles. 1. N-S and parallel to B field, 2. S-N and parallel, 3. 90 degrees to surface (perpendicular to B field), 4. W-E and perpendicular (and with Earth's spin), 5. E-W, pependicular, and against spin. The timing of these experiments would need to be at the 4 quadrant positions of the moon, with #3 above to be aligned with Full moon on Solar eclipse. The direction of the wave tube would, in one set, be towards the moon, and then, in a different set of experiments, away from. This would help define lunar effects. The same opposing sets of experiments could be done at the different seasons to register the Sun's effect most clearly.
Lastly, the tube could be placed in a tunnel dug to half of its' depth, and ran in both directions, (up / down) and at several different elevations around the world (my funding price just went up, hehea) to see the results from different pressure levels.
This would also all be needed to take place at locations which have been sonically mapped for geologic structure and composition so that we could account for any lava tubes, oil-gas-mineral deposits, aquifers, etc. that might change the Earth's background frequency of 7.8hz (FM). A second mic, away from the tubes' mics, would record this tone in the ground so that we could remove it from the recorded signal.
When all the data is compliled, we have many ways to see the possible effects. Now to run all experiments again with a different frequency, and ultimately, with a wider bandwidth of 3+ frequencies, using triad harmonics. The preferred set would be 7.8, 9.3, and12.3hz, netting us with an exact BFH* of 12hz. (*BFH = beat frequency harmonic, aka "chord").
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http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=1764&st=15
This post in another physics forum intrigued me and is related to your excellent question about the potential energy of the universe.
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First, a bit of digging provided promising info.
Certain frequencies (and their harmonics) caused by earthquakes have wavelengths long enough to set the Earth in a "free oscillation" state (standing wave). These move in 2 ways: spheroidal (toward the Earth's center) and toroidal (away from), and are similar to (but not exactly) P-waves and S-waves (compressional / shear).
The "medium" that they oscillate in is gravitational attraction and elasticity.
The rotation of the Earth comes into play, as well as distance from center, etc. Which seems similar to the link to gravitiomagnetism that you (Tom) provided, as well as the question at hand.
segway > question at hand
Here is my idea for an experiment(s):
Construct a "tuned" tube about 3' dia. by a full wave distance, which for 12 hz is 27.5833 meters. Along nodal and antinodal points, attach ribbon microphones (which measure pressure velocity) at 4 equidistant points inside the tube. At one end, mount an 18" speaker and enclosure with built in amplifier and tone generator. Also attatch a device on the coil to accuratley (1000mm?) measure the "throw" of the speaker (magnet to coil relative positions) to serve as a control at the generation end of the wave.
At the other end, suspended from the sides so as to be in the center of the tube, and just past the end would be another sensor. I have a couple of different ideas, but it suffices to say that this sensor would measure the rate of atomic tunneling. It has been shown that when "relaxed state phonons" (the equilibrium or resonant frequency of a poly-atomic(+) molecules) in certain solids and crystals is changed, the rate of tunneling can be determined and/or controlled.
Essentialy, this sensor is like a tuned cicuit, and once made will always react the same to a specific frequency. So any deviations in the signal wave arriving at the end of the tube would show up in the rate of tunneling, and could be mapped out using the data from the ribbon mics pressure velocity readings along it's path.
Now to alter the magnetic field. We are going to do it the easy way, by changing location in a fixed field (along the Earth's lines of flux). The experiment would run at several angles. 1. N-S and parallel to B field, 2. S-N and parallel, 3. 90 degrees to surface (perpendicular to B field), 4. W-E and perpendicular (and with Earth's spin), 5. E-W, pependicular, and against spin. The timing of these experiments would need to be at the 4 quadrant positions of the moon, with #3 above to be aligned with Full moon on Solar eclipse. The direction of the wave tube would, in one set, be towards the moon, and then, in a different set of experiments, away from. This would help define lunar effects. The same opposing sets of experiments could be done at the different seasons to register the Sun's effect most clearly.
Lastly, the tube could be placed in a tunnel dug to half of its' depth, and ran in both directions, (up / down) and at several different elevations around the world (my funding price just went up, hehea) to see the results from different pressure levels.
This would also all be needed to take place at locations which have been sonically mapped for geologic structure and composition so that we could account for any lava tubes, oil-gas-mineral deposits, aquifers, etc. that might change the Earth's background frequency of 7.8hz (FM). A second mic, away from the tubes' mics, would record this tone in the ground so that we could remove it from the recorded signal.
When all the data is compliled, we have many ways to see the possible effects. Now to run all experiments again with a different frequency, and ultimately, with a wider bandwidth of 3+ frequencies, using triad harmonics. The preferred set would be 7.8, 9.3, and12.3hz, netting us with an exact BFH* of 12hz. (*BFH = beat frequency harmonic, aka "chord").
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http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=1764&st=15
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics - The Bee Question
http://www.beedata.com/apis-uk/newslett ... uk0605.htm
Bees and Gravity (Part 3 of 3)
Ian Rumsey
Generally a swarm is collected on site in the upper portion of the inner hive, then returned to the apiary in the evening and replaced on to the lower portion of the inner hive. This arrangement causes the bees no disturbance but has the disadvantage of the bees building the initial comb to an alignment at the swarm collection site, rather than the apiary site. However in this particular instance owing to the mechanical contrivance of the hive the swarm was 'run in' upon a white cloth, up a gentle slope, into the base of the hive.
The following morning one could feel that the bees had occupied the upper portion of the inner hive. The clock was rewound and the system rebalanced. This arrangement was repeated each evening. After 16 days when the pivot portion of the inner hive was complete with comb, the hive was dismantled and the roof of the inner hive removed.
http://www.beedata.com/apis-uk/newslett ... rts3-1.jpg
Photo 1 refers. As may be seen the comb alignment runs diagonally across the hive, not exactly corner to corner, at an angle of 45 degrees, but at something less. This alignment points due East. A photo of a hive, positioned in the same manner but without the rocking motion, is shown below. The direction of the comb is identical.
Photo 2 refers. Had the variation of the vertical component of gravity, caused by the side to side motion of the inner hive, influenced comb direction it would have been expected that the comb would have run horizontally, parallel, from left to right, across the hive. This is clearly not the case and would suggest that the variation of the vertical component of gravity, caused by what ever means, does not influence comb alignment. The question is now what does actually decides comb direction.
If it is not gravitational variation, or the Earth's magnetic field, may we look elsewhere for some force which apparently approaches from the East. The Earth rotates in this direction, and whether on the equator or in the UK, the rotation would be towards due East.
Rotating mass is rather an unknown quantity. As rotating magnets produce electro-magnetic fields, it so happens that rotating mass produces gravitomagnetic fields which have the ability of warping time and space. Strangely enough this phenomenon is known as ‘Frame Dragging’.
It is possible therefore that bees align their comb in accordance with this gravitomagnetic force, which like the ‘Three Wise Men’, comes from the East.
Let us therefore travel East, through time and space, and visit Egypt, 4000 years ago.
This subject looks like it will be continued. If you would like to contact Ian his email address is: ianrumsey @ hotmail.com. Ed.
Bees and Gravity (Part 3 of 3)
Ian Rumsey
Generally a swarm is collected on site in the upper portion of the inner hive, then returned to the apiary in the evening and replaced on to the lower portion of the inner hive. This arrangement causes the bees no disturbance but has the disadvantage of the bees building the initial comb to an alignment at the swarm collection site, rather than the apiary site. However in this particular instance owing to the mechanical contrivance of the hive the swarm was 'run in' upon a white cloth, up a gentle slope, into the base of the hive.
The following morning one could feel that the bees had occupied the upper portion of the inner hive. The clock was rewound and the system rebalanced. This arrangement was repeated each evening. After 16 days when the pivot portion of the inner hive was complete with comb, the hive was dismantled and the roof of the inner hive removed.
http://www.beedata.com/apis-uk/newslett ... rts3-1.jpg
Photo 1 refers. As may be seen the comb alignment runs diagonally across the hive, not exactly corner to corner, at an angle of 45 degrees, but at something less. This alignment points due East. A photo of a hive, positioned in the same manner but without the rocking motion, is shown below. The direction of the comb is identical.
Photo 2 refers. Had the variation of the vertical component of gravity, caused by the side to side motion of the inner hive, influenced comb direction it would have been expected that the comb would have run horizontally, parallel, from left to right, across the hive. This is clearly not the case and would suggest that the variation of the vertical component of gravity, caused by what ever means, does not influence comb alignment. The question is now what does actually decides comb direction.
If it is not gravitational variation, or the Earth's magnetic field, may we look elsewhere for some force which apparently approaches from the East. The Earth rotates in this direction, and whether on the equator or in the UK, the rotation would be towards due East.
Rotating mass is rather an unknown quantity. As rotating magnets produce electro-magnetic fields, it so happens that rotating mass produces gravitomagnetic fields which have the ability of warping time and space. Strangely enough this phenomenon is known as ‘Frame Dragging’.
It is possible therefore that bees align their comb in accordance with this gravitomagnetic force, which like the ‘Three Wise Men’, comes from the East.
Let us therefore travel East, through time and space, and visit Egypt, 4000 years ago.
This subject looks like it will be continued. If you would like to contact Ian his email address is: ianrumsey @ hotmail.com. Ed.
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics - The Bee Question
Sorry if this offends but I couldn't help myself : )
http://www.informantnews.com/starshipgamma/crop/
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics
A minor correction Joseph - standing waves do not propagate ( move ). They are produced from the interaction ( Algebraic addition ) of two or more propagating waves of the exactly the same frequency and are simply static energy gradients across space. In a radio transmitter feeding a load via a feed cable, they can result from an impedance mismatch causing a reflected wave to return along the feeder and interact with the original source wave energy ( neglecting side-bands )
If an interaction is from waves of different frequencies, they will heterodyne and produce a propagating difference (Algebraic) frequency – called a beat frequency. This mixing of different frequencies is the principle of the super-heterodyne receiver
If an interaction is from waves of different frequencies, they will heterodyne and produce a propagating difference (Algebraic) frequency – called a beat frequency. This mixing of different frequencies is the principle of the super-heterodyne receiver
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics
A couple of related articles on this:
"A Different Approach to Cosmology:From a Static Universe through the Big Bang towards Reality". Burbidge,G.,Hoyle,F.& Narlikar, J.V.
Cambridge University Press, (in press)
http://casswww.ucsd.edu/personal/gburbidge_pub.html
"Very close pairs of quasi-stellar objects." Burbidge, G., Hoyle, F. & Schneider, P. 1997
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib ... heory.html
From the article:
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The observation that redshifts increase the farther away the object was first described by American astronomer Edwin Hubble in the 1920s.
That discovery proved that the universe was expanding. In the years that followed, two primary theories competed to explain this phenomenon.
One of them was the big-bang theory, which proposed that space and time emerged from a single, infinitely small point of infinite energy that exploded in a fireball of creation and set into motion an expanding universe. Over time, according to this model, the spaces between galaxies grow ever larger.
"The other competing theory was the steady state model. Today, the Burbidges support a revised version. The original steady state model proposed an expanding universe in which new matter is continually produced to compensate for ever widening volumes of space. Overall density, as a result, remains constant.
Early on in the debate between the two theories, astronomers found that quasars, believed to be energetic cores of remote galaxies, become more numerous the farther away they looked.
That finding was critical in helping to discredit the steady-state model, which requires that objects are distributed evenly throughout the universe.
The Burbidges question the validity of redshift measuring for quasars; doing so challenges the notion that quasars are more numerous the farther away astronomers look.
Hardly any other astronomers stand in the Burbidge camp on this issue.
"It's not that we don't want them to be right," British astronomer and author Martin Rees said of the Burbidges' contrary views on cosmology.
"It would be marvelous if astronomy had discovered something fundamentally new, some new cause of the red shift. And thinking that, I'm rather disappointed that they just have these same few examples over the last 30 years of galaxies looking linked to quasars, which most of us don't find compelling."
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Okay and the Harmonics Theory has a snippet on the Red Shift question:
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Harmonics theory - Quantised galaxy distances
I came across an article that reported that galaxy redshifts tended to be multiples of 72 kilometres per second. A redshift is a measurement of the displacement of the lines in the spectrum of an object towards longer than normal laboratory wavelengths. Each chemical has unique lines in its spectrum and the light of distant objects can tell us not only the chemical content of the object but how fast it is travelling towards or away from us. The red shift can have several possible causes including velocity, very strong gravity and possibly other effects not yet fully understood.
According to the prevailing view of the universe, the big bang is responsible for the galaxies all flying apart at great velocities. The velocities are supposedly proportional to the distances between the galaxies and related by the Hubble constant. The constant is named after Edwin Hubble who discovered that galaxies have redshifts in proportion to their distances.
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"A Different Approach to Cosmology:From a Static Universe through the Big Bang towards Reality". Burbidge,G.,Hoyle,F.& Narlikar, J.V.
Cambridge University Press, (in press)
http://casswww.ucsd.edu/personal/gburbidge_pub.html
"Very close pairs of quasi-stellar objects." Burbidge, G., Hoyle, F. & Schneider, P. 1997
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib ... heory.html
From the article:
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The observation that redshifts increase the farther away the object was first described by American astronomer Edwin Hubble in the 1920s.
That discovery proved that the universe was expanding. In the years that followed, two primary theories competed to explain this phenomenon.
One of them was the big-bang theory, which proposed that space and time emerged from a single, infinitely small point of infinite energy that exploded in a fireball of creation and set into motion an expanding universe. Over time, according to this model, the spaces between galaxies grow ever larger.
"The other competing theory was the steady state model. Today, the Burbidges support a revised version. The original steady state model proposed an expanding universe in which new matter is continually produced to compensate for ever widening volumes of space. Overall density, as a result, remains constant.
Early on in the debate between the two theories, astronomers found that quasars, believed to be energetic cores of remote galaxies, become more numerous the farther away they looked.
That finding was critical in helping to discredit the steady-state model, which requires that objects are distributed evenly throughout the universe.
The Burbidges question the validity of redshift measuring for quasars; doing so challenges the notion that quasars are more numerous the farther away astronomers look.
Hardly any other astronomers stand in the Burbidge camp on this issue.
"It's not that we don't want them to be right," British astronomer and author Martin Rees said of the Burbidges' contrary views on cosmology.
"It would be marvelous if astronomy had discovered something fundamentally new, some new cause of the red shift. And thinking that, I'm rather disappointed that they just have these same few examples over the last 30 years of galaxies looking linked to quasars, which most of us don't find compelling."
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Okay and the Harmonics Theory has a snippet on the Red Shift question:
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Harmonics theory - Quantised galaxy distances
I came across an article that reported that galaxy redshifts tended to be multiples of 72 kilometres per second. A redshift is a measurement of the displacement of the lines in the spectrum of an object towards longer than normal laboratory wavelengths. Each chemical has unique lines in its spectrum and the light of distant objects can tell us not only the chemical content of the object but how fast it is travelling towards or away from us. The red shift can have several possible causes including velocity, very strong gravity and possibly other effects not yet fully understood.
According to the prevailing view of the universe, the big bang is responsible for the galaxies all flying apart at great velocities. The velocities are supposedly proportional to the distances between the galaxies and related by the Hubble constant. The constant is named after Edwin Hubble who discovered that galaxies have redshifts in proportion to their distances.
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics
If you really like crazy ideas, I've got one for you. What if everything is getting smaller? All forces are getting weaker and all matter is "crunching" to make up for it. For close by objects we don't notice it because things aren't scalling very much over time relative to each other. But it is noticable on the cosmic scale. Any acceleration away from us we see can actually be a constant, or even decreasing, velocity in the super-relative sense. It's just our rulers (EM etc forces) are getting smaller. Everything didn't start from a point and expand outward. Everything started from a point and we are still actually very close to the point of origin.
Ok, really crazy talk is over. Do with it what you want.
Ok, really crazy talk is over. Do with it what you want.
Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics
John Hendron states that I do not address the question of the fundamental nature of the wave medium - magnetic, electric, gravitational. He is right. Some years ago I did state that I thought it was e/m and later gravitational but various arguments by physicists criticised this view. I can say certainly that the waves travel at velocity c as there are several examples where the wavelength and period match, e.g. Geological cycle of 586 My and galaxy cluster spacings of 128 MPc/h0 => 586 MLy if h=71.
I want to comment on the cymatics and harmonics theory. The cymatics experiment simply shows that waves in a non-linear medium will make fascinating non-predictable structures. The harmonics theory is based on non-linear waves to arrive at a pattern frequently observed in nature. I highly recommend reading Edward Dewey's work, see for example http://www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/ ... cycles.pdf
I am very happy to address any other questions you might have.
Best wishes
Ray Tomes
I want to comment on the cymatics and harmonics theory. The cymatics experiment simply shows that waves in a non-linear medium will make fascinating non-predictable structures. The harmonics theory is based on non-linear waves to arrive at a pattern frequently observed in nature. I highly recommend reading Edward Dewey's work, see for example http://www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/ ... cycles.pdf
I am very happy to address any other questions you might have.
Best wishes
Ray Tomes
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics
Hello Ray,
I've always been interested in how your theories could explain Sonoluminescence.
http://microgravityuniversity.jsc.nasa. ... rchives=35
University of Washington
1997
The Effects of Microgravity on Single-Bubble Sonoluminescence
When a small bubble is levitated in a standing wave field, it can undergo large, nonlinear radial pulsations, and upon collapse, generate a flash of light. This phenomenon, called sonolumenescence, has generated much interest in the scientific community due to the very interesting and unpredictable behavior observed experimentally. Several articles on this subject have also appeared in popular science magazines such as Physics Today [Crum, 1994], Scientific American [Putterman, 1995] and Science [Crum, 1994; Hiller, 1994]. One of the features of sonoluminescence is that as the pressure field inside the levitation cell is increased, the light output increases, until a point called the extinction threshold. Beyond this point, the bubble ceases to "glow" and in fact gets destroyed. One possiblt explanation for the extinction threshold is that as the pressure increases, instabilities develope due to the force of buoyancy. That is, large bubbles are more buoyant than small bubbles. As the bubble oscillates, the bubble will also translate due to the effects of buoyancy. If the translational velocity is large, deformations in the bubble wall can develop and lead to catastrophic instabilities. In micro-gravity conditions this force is nearly absent and the instabilities caused by bouyancy should dissappear. Our proposal is to test this hypothesis by determing the extinction threshold in both micro-gravity and hyper-gravity. We also plan to use the World Wide Webb to post our progress leading to the flight, and then post our results there as well. Finally, we fully expect to present our results at a scientific conference.
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Washington State University
1997
Gravitation Dependence and Stable Conditions of Single Bubble Sonoluminescence
The proposed experiments would examine the gravity dependence and stable conditions of single bubble sonoluminescence (SBSL). SBSL occurs when a bubble acoustically levitated in a liquid medium expands and contracts due to the oscillation of the sound field and emits light. Under normal gravity (1 g) conditions, a SBSL bubble is acted on by the Bjerknes force (which pushes it towards an antinode of the sound field), and by its buoyany. The Bjerknes force and the buoyancy oppose each other, resulting in vertical displacement and compression of the bubble. The normal gravity SBSL bubble's buoyancy is absent, and the Bjerknes force is therefore able to levitate the bubble almost exactly at the pressure antinode. This leads to highly spherical bubbles, symmetric flow around the bubble, and no vertical translation. The results of SBSL gravity dependence experiments would therefore provide significant evidence to substantiate or refute the many current SBSL theories that deal directly with a bubble's sphericity, flow symmetry, and vertical translation. Specifically, these include the shock wave theory, the microjet theory, and the theory that an elliptical bubble is responsible for dipole patterns of SBSL light emission. Additionally, it is hypothesized that, since instabilities in the bubble wall due to vertical translation can cause a bubble's demise, the SBSL extinction threshold will be higher in microgravity.
I've always been interested in how your theories could explain Sonoluminescence.
http://microgravityuniversity.jsc.nasa. ... rchives=35
University of Washington
1997
The Effects of Microgravity on Single-Bubble Sonoluminescence
When a small bubble is levitated in a standing wave field, it can undergo large, nonlinear radial pulsations, and upon collapse, generate a flash of light. This phenomenon, called sonolumenescence, has generated much interest in the scientific community due to the very interesting and unpredictable behavior observed experimentally. Several articles on this subject have also appeared in popular science magazines such as Physics Today [Crum, 1994], Scientific American [Putterman, 1995] and Science [Crum, 1994; Hiller, 1994]. One of the features of sonoluminescence is that as the pressure field inside the levitation cell is increased, the light output increases, until a point called the extinction threshold. Beyond this point, the bubble ceases to "glow" and in fact gets destroyed. One possiblt explanation for the extinction threshold is that as the pressure increases, instabilities develope due to the force of buoyancy. That is, large bubbles are more buoyant than small bubbles. As the bubble oscillates, the bubble will also translate due to the effects of buoyancy. If the translational velocity is large, deformations in the bubble wall can develop and lead to catastrophic instabilities. In micro-gravity conditions this force is nearly absent and the instabilities caused by bouyancy should dissappear. Our proposal is to test this hypothesis by determing the extinction threshold in both micro-gravity and hyper-gravity. We also plan to use the World Wide Webb to post our progress leading to the flight, and then post our results there as well. Finally, we fully expect to present our results at a scientific conference.
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Washington State University
1997
Gravitation Dependence and Stable Conditions of Single Bubble Sonoluminescence
The proposed experiments would examine the gravity dependence and stable conditions of single bubble sonoluminescence (SBSL). SBSL occurs when a bubble acoustically levitated in a liquid medium expands and contracts due to the oscillation of the sound field and emits light. Under normal gravity (1 g) conditions, a SBSL bubble is acted on by the Bjerknes force (which pushes it towards an antinode of the sound field), and by its buoyany. The Bjerknes force and the buoyancy oppose each other, resulting in vertical displacement and compression of the bubble. The normal gravity SBSL bubble's buoyancy is absent, and the Bjerknes force is therefore able to levitate the bubble almost exactly at the pressure antinode. This leads to highly spherical bubbles, symmetric flow around the bubble, and no vertical translation. The results of SBSL gravity dependence experiments would therefore provide significant evidence to substantiate or refute the many current SBSL theories that deal directly with a bubble's sphericity, flow symmetry, and vertical translation. Specifically, these include the shock wave theory, the microjet theory, and the theory that an elliptical bubble is responsible for dipole patterns of SBSL light emission. Additionally, it is hypothesized that, since instabilities in the bubble wall due to vertical translation can cause a bubble's demise, the SBSL extinction threshold will be higher in microgravity.
Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics
Hi Joseph
I don't think that harmonics theory can explain sonoluminescence. However I think that there is a common aspect in that both are related to standing spherical waves. Another subject related to both of these is the Wave Structure of Matter (WSM). The following is my take on sonoluminescence.
The little bubbles are compacted by standing waves of pressure. During this process, any light (or heat or other e/m waves) that is internal to the bubble gets gradually concentrated due to the slight change in radius between the light entering the bubble and arriving at the other side. In general, the bubble and surrounding spherical pressure wave acts as a focus for energy that can increase the energy density by many orders of magnitude.
Such increase will only occur if certain conditions are met. These include that the bubble remain essentially spherical. Even a slightly unround bubble can become far from spherical when it contracts by several orders of magnitude. However if the non-linearity of the pressure wave velocity has the right relationship, then the wave will become increasingly spherical as it contracts because the enrgy will concentrate faster where the curvature is greater and the velocity will speed up more as a result and the curvature will be kept balanced.
The increase in energy density is related to the inverse cube of the radius of the bubble or wave. That means that a bubble contracting by a factor of 10^2 or 10^3 or more will increase energy density by a factor of 10^6 or 10^9 or more. I have seen an article that understands this and did computer simulations that show even fusion is possible. Of course there articles about sonofusion also and it does appear to happen.
The whole are of cold fusion is possibly also connected with this. People do not realise however that the tuning of the whole apparatus in relation to the particular reaction is an important aspect that may alter the yield by factors of a million or more which is why the experimental results are often not consistent. On several occasions explosions resulting in death or lab destruction have occurred. I believe that this is because the dimensions and tuning of the apparatus has wandered into a critical frequency that makes a runaway reaction.
These aspects of tuning can be better understood by studying the harmonics theory. I have found situations where things may be harmonically tuned over extremely large scale differences. Perhaps Keely had some understanding of this but his method is now lost it seems.
regards
Ray
PS
I will be away next couple of weeks.
I don't think that harmonics theory can explain sonoluminescence. However I think that there is a common aspect in that both are related to standing spherical waves. Another subject related to both of these is the Wave Structure of Matter (WSM). The following is my take on sonoluminescence.
The little bubbles are compacted by standing waves of pressure. During this process, any light (or heat or other e/m waves) that is internal to the bubble gets gradually concentrated due to the slight change in radius between the light entering the bubble and arriving at the other side. In general, the bubble and surrounding spherical pressure wave acts as a focus for energy that can increase the energy density by many orders of magnitude.
Such increase will only occur if certain conditions are met. These include that the bubble remain essentially spherical. Even a slightly unround bubble can become far from spherical when it contracts by several orders of magnitude. However if the non-linearity of the pressure wave velocity has the right relationship, then the wave will become increasingly spherical as it contracts because the enrgy will concentrate faster where the curvature is greater and the velocity will speed up more as a result and the curvature will be kept balanced.
The increase in energy density is related to the inverse cube of the radius of the bubble or wave. That means that a bubble contracting by a factor of 10^2 or 10^3 or more will increase energy density by a factor of 10^6 or 10^9 or more. I have seen an article that understands this and did computer simulations that show even fusion is possible. Of course there articles about sonofusion also and it does appear to happen.
The whole are of cold fusion is possibly also connected with this. People do not realise however that the tuning of the whole apparatus in relation to the particular reaction is an important aspect that may alter the yield by factors of a million or more which is why the experimental results are often not consistent. On several occasions explosions resulting in death or lab destruction have occurred. I believe that this is because the dimensions and tuning of the apparatus has wandered into a critical frequency that makes a runaway reaction.
These aspects of tuning can be better understood by studying the harmonics theory. I have found situations where things may be harmonically tuned over extremely large scale differences. Perhaps Keely had some understanding of this but his method is now lost it seems.
regards
Ray
PS
I will be away next couple of weeks.
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics - Jon DePew?
Thanks, I followed it and it makes sense.
How would you see this site by a certain John De Pew with the Harmonics Theory and Keely's work?
http://www.coralcastlecode.com/id4.html
Jon found it rather recently after researching some of Ed Leedskalnin's work on the Coral Castle in Homestead Florida, which incidentally, has the largest known rock hewn and moved by man (a 100 lbs man without moving equipment).
How would you see this site by a certain John De Pew with the Harmonics Theory and Keely's work?
http://www.coralcastlecode.com/id4.html
Jon found it rather recently after researching some of Ed Leedskalnin's work on the Coral Castle in Homestead Florida, which incidentally, has the largest known rock hewn and moved by man (a 100 lbs man without moving equipment).
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics - Jon DePew?
I'd comment on the content if I knew what the heck he is talking about. Anyone care to translate into physical language?
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics - Jon DePew?
Can we all say "word salad"? I know Frank Sanns can. There is a big difference between a well written, comprehensible, but long running diatribe and a word salad. A word salad will use odd terms, self generated, unknown acronyms and place the reader on a perhaps deliberately misleading and obfuscational, verbal, merry-go-round.
A beautifully crafted word salad will convince all but the most skeptical and adroit, that the author is very intelligent and leave the reader no more informed than when starting, but with distinct impression that they have read something of worth and technical value.
Word salad, is a psychiatric term. I once new a doctor who was in my astronomy group. We once had a vistor who was a bit "off", but who could speak in word salad with some effortless grandeur. I was shocked, amazed and amused. The doctor told me that this was a condition that some people suffered from in that they conversed in meaningless "word salads". The psychiatric "salad" is often truly meaningless and incomprehensible and uses big words and jargon. I consider myself blessed when in the presense of someone who can do this in real time, but damned when forced to attempt to wade through a supposed paper of scientific or technical value and find the author doing this, often in an attempt to mislead or obfuscate.
The URL reference supplied here was obviously an attempt at the latter elegance, but falls on its face, along with its author before all but the most gullable. I love this stuff and marvel at these people when ever I meet them in person. Fortunately, it is not all that often.
Richard Hull
A beautifully crafted word salad will convince all but the most skeptical and adroit, that the author is very intelligent and leave the reader no more informed than when starting, but with distinct impression that they have read something of worth and technical value.
Word salad, is a psychiatric term. I once new a doctor who was in my astronomy group. We once had a vistor who was a bit "off", but who could speak in word salad with some effortless grandeur. I was shocked, amazed and amused. The doctor told me that this was a condition that some people suffered from in that they conversed in meaningless "word salads". The psychiatric "salad" is often truly meaningless and incomprehensible and uses big words and jargon. I consider myself blessed when in the presense of someone who can do this in real time, but damned when forced to attempt to wade through a supposed paper of scientific or technical value and find the author doing this, often in an attempt to mislead or obfuscate.
The URL reference supplied here was obviously an attempt at the latter elegance, but falls on its face, along with its author before all but the most gullable. I love this stuff and marvel at these people when ever I meet them in person. Fortunately, it is not all that often.
Richard Hull
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Fusion is the energy of the future....and it always will be
The more complex the idea put forward by the poor amateur, the more likely it will never see embodiment
Fusion is the energy of the future....and it always will be
The more complex the idea put forward by the poor amateur, the more likely it will never see embodiment
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics - Jon DePew?
I won't defend Mr. DePew's "word salad" - however, the Coral Castle is an interesting feat. It's a bit inexplicable, dare I say a modern mystery? How did a man with supposedly a "4th grade" education engineer it? I doubt many on this board could build a decent woodshed by hand using the latest kits from their local hardware store. If you need to move your couch down a flight of stairs, I'm sure you call your brother or your neighbor to help out. How did "Ed" do it with a 15 ton coral rock? At least Jon gave it a shot even though he wanders into tossing a nicely mixed "word salad". I suppose a person can spend a little time with a good 3-D program, make a few intricate patterns with Ed's two shapes, and then explain how he rediscovered an ancient secret so simple it was overlooked by millions. It's a fairly clever idea and is one of but best ones I've seen so far - even tops approaches with infrasound waves. The engineers can't come close to Coral Castle yet without a huge crane. Perhaps Jon'll have the last laugh after all.
You might get a chuckle out of the real deal himself. Here are Ed's own words:
Words from Ed Leedskalnin / Regarding Magnetic Currents
1.All branches of science lack a sound base.
2.Physicists are using one sided equiptment to chase
the non existing protons and electrons.
3.Geologists do not know what gravitation is ,
and what causes earthquakes and mountains.
4.Astronomers do not know what cause the seasons.
5.Millions of people all over the world have been fooled
,including myself ,by wrong drawings in geography
books,in showing how the Earth's yearly path around the sun causes summer and winter. In fact the drawings are wrong. I was lucky I made a rock telescope and sundial,and they defooled me.
Now I know the right path the Earth follows.The scientists should come to Rock Gate and have a good look at the new drawing , telescope and sundial
, then notice how it would affect science.
6.Radio waves are not waves; they are North and South pole individual magnets which are coming out of a
transformer of the secondary windings coil ends,one half going up in the air and the other half in the ground
in increasing and decreasing numbers. The numbers are regulated by the transmitting tube ,and the speed by voltage.The magnets are not running up to the ionosphere and down again, but are running "HORIZONTALLY" until they are lost. Those magnets which go up to the ionosphere never come back as radio waves to the reciever, they only cause the ionosphere magnets to come back to Earth as radar waves.Magnets do not run in the way the radio wave drawings show.
Oh...by the way, there is an Electrical Engineer that Jon links to on his site a certain John Compton who studies the IChing. (http://www.ichingmaster.co.uk./4598.html)
"In brief, you should know the following about me: I am an Electrical Engineer by Profession. My research began some twenty years ago and has been continually up-dated ever since. My speciality is in the area of Mathematics and Computers."
http://www.coralcastlecode.com/id2.html
You might get a chuckle out of the real deal himself. Here are Ed's own words:
Words from Ed Leedskalnin / Regarding Magnetic Currents
1.All branches of science lack a sound base.
2.Physicists are using one sided equiptment to chase
the non existing protons and electrons.
3.Geologists do not know what gravitation is ,
and what causes earthquakes and mountains.
4.Astronomers do not know what cause the seasons.
5.Millions of people all over the world have been fooled
,including myself ,by wrong drawings in geography
books,in showing how the Earth's yearly path around the sun causes summer and winter. In fact the drawings are wrong. I was lucky I made a rock telescope and sundial,and they defooled me.
Now I know the right path the Earth follows.The scientists should come to Rock Gate and have a good look at the new drawing , telescope and sundial
, then notice how it would affect science.
6.Radio waves are not waves; they are North and South pole individual magnets which are coming out of a
transformer of the secondary windings coil ends,one half going up in the air and the other half in the ground
in increasing and decreasing numbers. The numbers are regulated by the transmitting tube ,and the speed by voltage.The magnets are not running up to the ionosphere and down again, but are running "HORIZONTALLY" until they are lost. Those magnets which go up to the ionosphere never come back as radio waves to the reciever, they only cause the ionosphere magnets to come back to Earth as radar waves.Magnets do not run in the way the radio wave drawings show.
Oh...by the way, there is an Electrical Engineer that Jon links to on his site a certain John Compton who studies the IChing. (http://www.ichingmaster.co.uk./4598.html)
"In brief, you should know the following about me: I am an Electrical Engineer by Profession. My research began some twenty years ago and has been continually up-dated ever since. My speciality is in the area of Mathematics and Computers."
http://www.coralcastlecode.com/id2.html
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics - The Bee Question
It seems Bees have Magnetite in their cells:
http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/ask/a11651.html
Back in 1974, R. Blakemore at the University of New Hampshire uncovered a remarkable trick that certain species of fresh water bacteria seemed to share. As they grow to maturity, each of them creates within their single-celled bodies nearly two-dozen pure cubical crystals of magnetite. Like pearls on a string, the crystals are oriented along the long axis of the bacterium. By some evolutionary process we can't imagine, primitive organisms somehow grew a single crystal of magnetite, perhaps as an annoying byproduct of eating. As these crystal 'excements' accumulated, the host became more efficient in finding its way to new locations rather than spinning around and around in the dark. Whatever the process, lowly bacteria managed to beat humans to the discovery of the magnetic compass by, oh, about 3 billion years! (ref = Sci Am, 245, p. 58 1981)
Using magnetite as a clue, scientists have thrown many different organisms under the microscope, and many organisms have now been found to have at least some kind of magnetite embedded in them including homing pigeons, tuna, honey bees, dolphins, whales and green turtles. Searching for such a magnetite compass among the billions of cells of an organism is far worse that searching for a magnetic needle in an organic haystack.
The story has become legendary about how homing-pigeon rallys are note held during times when geomagnetic conditions are unstable.
But how, exactly, does an organism 'sense' which direction magnetite crystals are pointing inside them? How do You know which way ....The most telling juxtapositions seem to be found in mammals. In 1982 Maugh wrote an article for Science "Magnetic Navigation, an Attractive Possibility' (Science 215, 1492.) detailing how microscopic examination of the magnetite crystals turned up some kinds of nervous tissue. Three years later, a complete book was written on "Magnetite Biomineralization and Magnetoreception in Organisms (Plennum Press, NY, 1985) by Kirchvink, Jones and Mac Fadden.
http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/ask/a11651.html
Back in 1974, R. Blakemore at the University of New Hampshire uncovered a remarkable trick that certain species of fresh water bacteria seemed to share. As they grow to maturity, each of them creates within their single-celled bodies nearly two-dozen pure cubical crystals of magnetite. Like pearls on a string, the crystals are oriented along the long axis of the bacterium. By some evolutionary process we can't imagine, primitive organisms somehow grew a single crystal of magnetite, perhaps as an annoying byproduct of eating. As these crystal 'excements' accumulated, the host became more efficient in finding its way to new locations rather than spinning around and around in the dark. Whatever the process, lowly bacteria managed to beat humans to the discovery of the magnetic compass by, oh, about 3 billion years! (ref = Sci Am, 245, p. 58 1981)
Using magnetite as a clue, scientists have thrown many different organisms under the microscope, and many organisms have now been found to have at least some kind of magnetite embedded in them including homing pigeons, tuna, honey bees, dolphins, whales and green turtles. Searching for such a magnetite compass among the billions of cells of an organism is far worse that searching for a magnetic needle in an organic haystack.
The story has become legendary about how homing-pigeon rallys are note held during times when geomagnetic conditions are unstable.
But how, exactly, does an organism 'sense' which direction magnetite crystals are pointing inside them? How do You know which way ....The most telling juxtapositions seem to be found in mammals. In 1982 Maugh wrote an article for Science "Magnetic Navigation, an Attractive Possibility' (Science 215, 1492.) detailing how microscopic examination of the magnetite crystals turned up some kinds of nervous tissue. Three years later, a complete book was written on "Magnetite Biomineralization and Magnetoreception in Organisms (Plennum Press, NY, 1985) by Kirchvink, Jones and Mac Fadden.
Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics - Jon DePew?
Just scanned through the coralcastle site... with all the pictures...
Strange...one wonders why, if there is something in a picture that all should see and understand, it is shown with indescipherably poor resolution. I enlarged some of the mysterious drawings to full screen and still could not make out a single intelligible pattern or character.
A short story:
We used to have more than a few of this sort call on us at the power company during times of energy crises. The folks are usually always entertaining, and often good natured.. but utterly incomprehensible.
I remember a meeting with one gentleman.. a PhD.from MIT as he represented himself, who came to discuss "Magnetic Waveguides and Solar Energy"... Brought with him a large roll of blueprints..(about what we never knew), a short length of square steel tubing, and Misener,Thorne, and Wheeler's huge book Gravitation - which had a paper clip in nearly every page!
I and a colleague and the gentleman went into my boss' office for the meeting. As the man spoke, my head began to spin... we went from inside the atom to outside the universe in just seconds and as easily as going to the coffee machine. ( As Richard says... it was spellbindingly fascinating stuff.)
I watched my boss (an excellent Physicist) taking this all in with a twinkle in his eye, great interest and solemnity, and was beginning to wonder if I was missing something, when my colleague leans over and says "Do you understand anything he is saying?" To which I replied ."I think he's as nutty as a fruitcake."
After a good hour of this, my boss finishes up by phoning a former associate in another company to tell him he had someone he was sending over to talk to him, and then gave the gentleman the name and address of the person on the phone.
After I saw him, blueprints, book and tubing off to the elevator, and safely headed to the ground floor and out, I met my boss at the coffee machine, where he said to me "Did you understand anything he was talking about?" I replied as before...that I thought he was wacky.... Then the boss says to me ," Let me tell what I just did. I have been wanting to get back at that guy ... (his former associate) for years for something he had done. So I sent this fellow off to see him."
Those were times that made your whole day...sooo simple afterward. We had an entire file cabinet full of these ideas and proposals.. We referred to it as "File 51".
Dave Cooper
Strange...one wonders why, if there is something in a picture that all should see and understand, it is shown with indescipherably poor resolution. I enlarged some of the mysterious drawings to full screen and still could not make out a single intelligible pattern or character.
A short story:
We used to have more than a few of this sort call on us at the power company during times of energy crises. The folks are usually always entertaining, and often good natured.. but utterly incomprehensible.
I remember a meeting with one gentleman.. a PhD.from MIT as he represented himself, who came to discuss "Magnetic Waveguides and Solar Energy"... Brought with him a large roll of blueprints..(about what we never knew), a short length of square steel tubing, and Misener,Thorne, and Wheeler's huge book Gravitation - which had a paper clip in nearly every page!
I and a colleague and the gentleman went into my boss' office for the meeting. As the man spoke, my head began to spin... we went from inside the atom to outside the universe in just seconds and as easily as going to the coffee machine. ( As Richard says... it was spellbindingly fascinating stuff.)
I watched my boss (an excellent Physicist) taking this all in with a twinkle in his eye, great interest and solemnity, and was beginning to wonder if I was missing something, when my colleague leans over and says "Do you understand anything he is saying?" To which I replied ."I think he's as nutty as a fruitcake."
After a good hour of this, my boss finishes up by phoning a former associate in another company to tell him he had someone he was sending over to talk to him, and then gave the gentleman the name and address of the person on the phone.
After I saw him, blueprints, book and tubing off to the elevator, and safely headed to the ground floor and out, I met my boss at the coffee machine, where he said to me "Did you understand anything he was talking about?" I replied as before...that I thought he was wacky.... Then the boss says to me ," Let me tell what I just did. I have been wanting to get back at that guy ... (his former associate) for years for something he had done. So I sent this fellow off to see him."
Those were times that made your whole day...sooo simple afterward. We had an entire file cabinet full of these ideas and proposals.. We referred to it as "File 51".
Dave Cooper
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Re: The Harmonic Theory and Cymatics - Jon DePew?
Beautiful Dave! Your boss reminded me of a Monty Python skit where John Clease is a bookstore owner and a particularly annoying, nasal sounding customer is in his shop asking for bizarre and absurd titles, all of which, Clease has never heard. On about the 30th request, Clease realizes that this will go on interminably and says " I tell you what....Why don't you try Wilby Marks & Sons, they've got a lot of books, too, you know." to which the man says, "They suggested I try you". To which, Clease, with a scowling voice, twisted face, while biting his lip and clinching his fists, says.........."Oh....Did they......" You could see he was registering this as an unspoken, " that's one I owe them now", vendetta.
Yes, sometimes inorder not to hurt feelings, one must occassionally deflect the flying, unthinking arrow to another supposedly more interesting target of opportunity.
Unfortunately, as I am now the head of the North Carolina based Electric Spacecraft Incorporated, I have to use this tactic more frequently. Though, as I become more jaded, I fear I may loose some patience in future. With a name like this, you can only imagine some of the inquiries.
Still, with each rejection, you can't help but wonder if one of the hair-brains you sent packing has it right at some level you didn't comprehend. And, perhaps, one day, your single claim to fame will be akin to being the man who single handedly kicked that weirdo, Issac Newton, out the door and threw his incomprehensible "Principia" right after him.
We all seem to have our term being lashed to the mast.
In the end, we can only apply reason, logic and training to discern, at range, that which seems viable and worth pursuit. Distant visions are for true visionaries and loons. (On a ratio of 1 to 1 million, respectively.)
Richard Hull
Yes, sometimes inorder not to hurt feelings, one must occassionally deflect the flying, unthinking arrow to another supposedly more interesting target of opportunity.
Unfortunately, as I am now the head of the North Carolina based Electric Spacecraft Incorporated, I have to use this tactic more frequently. Though, as I become more jaded, I fear I may loose some patience in future. With a name like this, you can only imagine some of the inquiries.
Still, with each rejection, you can't help but wonder if one of the hair-brains you sent packing has it right at some level you didn't comprehend. And, perhaps, one day, your single claim to fame will be akin to being the man who single handedly kicked that weirdo, Issac Newton, out the door and threw his incomprehensible "Principia" right after him.
We all seem to have our term being lashed to the mast.
In the end, we can only apply reason, logic and training to discern, at range, that which seems viable and worth pursuit. Distant visions are for true visionaries and loons. (On a ratio of 1 to 1 million, respectively.)
Richard Hull
Progress may have been a good thing once, but it just went on too long. - Yogi Berra
Fusion is the energy of the future....and it always will be
The more complex the idea put forward by the poor amateur, the more likely it will never see embodiment
Fusion is the energy of the future....and it always will be
The more complex the idea put forward by the poor amateur, the more likely it will never see embodiment