Electroacoustic resonance and fusion

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Aaron Stoll
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Electroacoustic resonance and fusion

Post by Aaron Stoll » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:08 am

Hey all,
My name is Aaron Stoll. I was part of the Peninsula College fusor group. I went on after that to University of Washington and obtained a bachelor's in physics and another in mathematics. After my graduation from UW, from a promise I made to my wife before I started back into school, I got into the working world. However, in spite of the distance in space-time between my work on the PC fusor and the current moment, I have never stopped thinking about fusion energy. I have spent about 10 years thinking about many different ideas within fusion energy, drawing up plans, and then scrapping them because I find a flaw in my idea via thought experiment. However, I have a new idea I feel is very promising.

I am announcing here that I am have been working for the past couple of months on getting parts and supplies together to try a new build I have been kicking around based on the Farnsworth design and utilizing some ideas from the Bussard design. I will update here with my progress, but it is my hope to be able to show fast fusion of a relatively dense hydrogen plasma within the reactor as a demonstration. If I can do this, and I can figure out how to do fuel input and exhaust, I may have a design that will produce continuous energy out of cyclic fusion burns, similar to the cycles of an internal combustion engine.

Since we know that internal combustion engines essentially run off of small explosions, this is where fast fusion comes in. I want to try to utilize electroacoustic resonance to achieve mostly complete fusion rapidly of specified volumes of hydrogen/deuterium. This will allow for small volumes of fusion fuel to be burned in rapid succession, so that multiple miniature reactors can be combined into a single large energy production system. That is the end game though.

My intent is to start simply with achieving electroacoustic resonance within a spherical Farnsworth design, and see if that increases the totality of the fusion burn per volume of hydrogen. I even have a nifty idea for proof of concept. Hydrogen and deuterium plasmas glow distinctly purple. Helium plasmas glow very white. If I can turn on the modulator for the electroacoustic resonance, and successfully change the plasma color from purple to white very quickly, then it will be worth sending that gas sample for analysis to determine proportionally how much fuel was converted to helium.

I think that is enough to get started. As far as I can tell, I do not think anyone has tried something like this. If I am mistaken, please let me know. Thanks very much for your time and attention, and I hope you all have a brilliant night, and day tomorrow.

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Re: Electroacoustic resonance and fusion

Post by John Futter » Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:13 am

A Troll who does not read the rules!@!!!

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Re: Electroacoustic resonance and fusion

Post by Dennis P Brown » Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:49 am

Your introduction post should be in the "Please Introduce Yourself" section. The rest, could be here. You also need to explain what you mean by "electroacoustic resonance", however (using known physics.) At least read some physics on fusion and try to explain your concept rather than using color ... .

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Re: Electroacoustic resonance and fusion

Post by Patrick Lindecker » Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:30 am

Yes, "Acoustically driven Magnetized Target Fusion" seems a promising way for fusion.
See https://generalfusion.com/wp-content/up ... eactor.pdf

However it is not used an acoustic resonance because variation of pressure would be relatively small.

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Re: Electroacoustic resonance and fusion

Post by Dennis P Brown » Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:16 pm

That is a liquid/plasma system that has stalled and has made no progress or accomplishments for a number of years now. More to the point, fusion in those devices have no relavence to fusion in a fusor, at all. Completely different fusion processes - you need to learn the differnces.

Buzz words alone like "resonance" don't improve a process's viabillity.

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Re: Electroacoustic resonance and fusion

Post by Justin Fozzard » Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:27 pm

Aaron, firstly I have to agree with John, Dennis and Patrick that you must follow a few simple rules; use your proper name and also read the comprehensive FAQ's. This is a serious group where you will find many knowledgeable members willing to help and advise if you abide by those rules.
Secondly, I hope you are being serious with your proposed experimental research and not just using a few misunderstood buzz-words in order to try impressing us.

Electroacoustic plasma waves were a hot research topic in the 1960's and I've attached a few relevant papers from the era that might aid your studies.
Electroacoustic waves, a type of longitudinal plasma wave, are usually excited using an RF source at the local plasma frequency, which will be in the low GHz range for a fusor based plasma. Your excitation wavelength is going to be larger than a typical fusor grid, so you will probably need to construct quite a large device for your experiments to see measurable effects. You will also find that most of the engergy that you've put into the plasma will be radiated out again as electroacoustic waves.

Perhaps you mean acoustic compression waves instead? These are more like sound waves in a plasma, and I've attached a paper by Saxton that discusses a method of producing these. It should be pointed out that this is not a suitable method of compressing a plasma to the densities required for useful amounts of fusion.


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Re: Electroacoustic resonance and fusion

Post by Richard Hull » Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:32 pm

Justin, thanks for your diligence and effort in supplying relevant URLs to explain the process of resonance in plasmas. I was tempted to delete the main posting here not so much due to the error in using the "Squatch" handle, (not allowed), but due to the unproved content. It is only the part where the Mr. Stoll claims to be gathering parts to test his ideas, upon which, I allow it to remain. The proof is in the doing and showing via images that a true effort is being undertaken.

We did away with the scroungers club solely due to so many applying and never doing anything real. Well, I am willing to allow such postings as this, a declaration of a willingness to "do", to remain. We will allow it only in that some verbal verve directed at doing is claimed. We will see if we ever see another posting related to the doing claimed, is forthcoming. A willingness on the part of Mr. Stoll to correct his entry user name and use his real name instead of "the Squatch" will be telling.

Justin did a great service to us all and saved this original post. He noted that a good bit of work had already been done on this concept in the last century and supplied references. He also noted that he felt that fusion could not be done using this plan of attack. Certainly, the concept never "caught fire" when it was originally posited or we might have seen a good deal of physical development resulting or, yet, ongoing to achieve fusion related to it, today. This is a constructive thread, a teaching thread. Make of it what you will.

The clawing, ever strained work to achieve usable 24-7-365 fusion net energy has been ongoing, is ongoing, and, I fear will remain ongoing for many years into the future. It is the ultimate carrot hung out in front of the fusion donkey to keep it moving.

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