NASA Lattice Fusion -Relocated Thread FS
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:36 am
Wow! On Christmas day in this thread I threw out an old friend of mine mostly as a hope of what was once of great interest to me. Fusion in the solid state (CANR) chemically assisted nuclear reactions. (LENR) low energy nuclear reactions. Names given long after the 1989 cold fusion confusion to the concept of lattice locked deuterium atoms self-fusioning within the lattice.
As if by luck, in voyaging through multiple You Tube videos of theories of earth's formation, I noticed to the right of this is a listing of what you tube thinks is pretty to someone it sees as a likely candidate for similar videos. Due to my large number of past searches on fusion, it belched out a fusion fast ball but 6 days old! I clicked the new NASA work video posted 20 Dec. 2020, and as if prescient of my Christmas day post above, I was stunned by it.
It seems NASA is hot on the trail of fusion in the solid state based on recent experiments with Erbium metal loaded deuterium in which genuine fusion has been detected! No not hot fusion and not power fusion, but a form of cold fusion, LENR, CANR fusion. I recognized in an instant that this kind of thing was reported in the late 90's by a number of researchers who clung onto LENR by their finger nails, working with almost no budget and much much humor and ire directed at them by their peers. Finally, by the mid-2000's all such efforts ceased as no one wanted to play with a dead duck. My earliest posts here, 20 years ago, talked of it, but I decided, in the long run, to "lay low" as I was talking "proper fusion", "accepted fusion" that amateur could do and replicate. CANR, LENR and my interest in it waned with the diminishing published articles around it.
Apparently some upstart at NASA was reading some old Journals, Yes Virginia, a number of scholarly Journals did publish well done work on CANR, LENR as these latter two monikers for CF we more acceptable. Anyway, it sparked enough interest for NASA to monkey around with it. This time instead of palladium, Titanium and Nickel as LENR focused on in the past, they chose Erbium. I wonder if they pulled a really good mixed team in on this work? That is, a team with a few top flite people in their field to do this work. Pons and Fleishman were just electrochemists. What did they know about all the disciplines that might be called in to the fray? Many later researchers were often lone wolves who did good work in their fields, but lacked the Manhattan project like team of the best of the best needed to bring this issue to the mat.
While the 6 day old video at the URL below is not detailed beyond a certain level, there is probably a paper out there on this work. A paper good enough to spark this video. I saw all the old trails taken by those from 1989 until the early 2000's imaged and talked about. They even recognized that NASA's effort smacks of the first efforts by Pons and Fleishman.
The fusion discussed is multi-processed. High energy gammas produced by bremsstrahlung radiation created by a high energy electron bombardment on the loaded Erbium cause fusion within the lattice and then the fusion released neutron (due to the Oppenheimer-Phillips reaction), at 2.45 MeV strips other neutrons creating super high energy protons which also do fusion or strip lattice neutrons and so on. It sounds complex, but what apparently ensues is a form of chain reaction fusion within the solid state as long as the electron bombardment takes place on the target metal. The ancient fusion saw rears it ugly head here. this ugliness is that sure, we are doing fusion, novel fusion, once poo-poo'd fusion, but...... will the beam of 2.5 MeV electrons needed to make this all happen within the loaded erbium lattice be sufficient to put out more fusion energy than is put into it. Doubtful, as the experimenters are still alive to tell the tail thus, no runaway fusion chain reaction, but enough to create detectable neutrons from the Erbium target.
The question I now have is the one that killed CF there should be traces of hydrogen, tritium and 3He locked within the Erbium lattice if real fusion is taking place and not just stripped neutrons from deuterium atoms in the lattice. The spectrum looks perfect for fusion energy neutrons, admittedly, Pons and Fleishman had no such instrumentation, just calorimetric mild heating as they loaded the palladium. Heating that went on after loading ended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZcAnqCscIw
Richard Hull
As if by luck, in voyaging through multiple You Tube videos of theories of earth's formation, I noticed to the right of this is a listing of what you tube thinks is pretty to someone it sees as a likely candidate for similar videos. Due to my large number of past searches on fusion, it belched out a fusion fast ball but 6 days old! I clicked the new NASA work video posted 20 Dec. 2020, and as if prescient of my Christmas day post above, I was stunned by it.
It seems NASA is hot on the trail of fusion in the solid state based on recent experiments with Erbium metal loaded deuterium in which genuine fusion has been detected! No not hot fusion and not power fusion, but a form of cold fusion, LENR, CANR fusion. I recognized in an instant that this kind of thing was reported in the late 90's by a number of researchers who clung onto LENR by their finger nails, working with almost no budget and much much humor and ire directed at them by their peers. Finally, by the mid-2000's all such efforts ceased as no one wanted to play with a dead duck. My earliest posts here, 20 years ago, talked of it, but I decided, in the long run, to "lay low" as I was talking "proper fusion", "accepted fusion" that amateur could do and replicate. CANR, LENR and my interest in it waned with the diminishing published articles around it.
Apparently some upstart at NASA was reading some old Journals, Yes Virginia, a number of scholarly Journals did publish well done work on CANR, LENR as these latter two monikers for CF we more acceptable. Anyway, it sparked enough interest for NASA to monkey around with it. This time instead of palladium, Titanium and Nickel as LENR focused on in the past, they chose Erbium. I wonder if they pulled a really good mixed team in on this work? That is, a team with a few top flite people in their field to do this work. Pons and Fleishman were just electrochemists. What did they know about all the disciplines that might be called in to the fray? Many later researchers were often lone wolves who did good work in their fields, but lacked the Manhattan project like team of the best of the best needed to bring this issue to the mat.
While the 6 day old video at the URL below is not detailed beyond a certain level, there is probably a paper out there on this work. A paper good enough to spark this video. I saw all the old trails taken by those from 1989 until the early 2000's imaged and talked about. They even recognized that NASA's effort smacks of the first efforts by Pons and Fleishman.
The fusion discussed is multi-processed. High energy gammas produced by bremsstrahlung radiation created by a high energy electron bombardment on the loaded Erbium cause fusion within the lattice and then the fusion released neutron (due to the Oppenheimer-Phillips reaction), at 2.45 MeV strips other neutrons creating super high energy protons which also do fusion or strip lattice neutrons and so on. It sounds complex, but what apparently ensues is a form of chain reaction fusion within the solid state as long as the electron bombardment takes place on the target metal. The ancient fusion saw rears it ugly head here. this ugliness is that sure, we are doing fusion, novel fusion, once poo-poo'd fusion, but...... will the beam of 2.5 MeV electrons needed to make this all happen within the loaded erbium lattice be sufficient to put out more fusion energy than is put into it. Doubtful, as the experimenters are still alive to tell the tail thus, no runaway fusion chain reaction, but enough to create detectable neutrons from the Erbium target.
The question I now have is the one that killed CF there should be traces of hydrogen, tritium and 3He locked within the Erbium lattice if real fusion is taking place and not just stripped neutrons from deuterium atoms in the lattice. The spectrum looks perfect for fusion energy neutrons, admittedly, Pons and Fleishman had no such instrumentation, just calorimetric mild heating as they loaded the palladium. Heating that went on after loading ended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZcAnqCscIw
Richard Hull