Titanium Coated Endcaps for the Cube Fusor
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Re: Titanium Coated Endcaps for the Cube Fusor
Jon
A superb setup, as always.
But help me to understand. Wasn´t enough to use a titanium sheet?
Roberto
A superb setup, as always.
But help me to understand. Wasn´t enough to use a titanium sheet?
Roberto
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Re: Titanium Coated Endcaps for the Cube Fusor
Jim,
Today I tried (twice) what you suggested, taking a reading at 40 kV after a 50 kV run. The changes were small, just the typical run to run differences.
I'm attaching a paper with info gleaned from the K J Lesker website. As I pretty much followed what they had done I would guess the Ti coating thickness on my endcaps would be in the neighborhood of 2000 angstroms. (200 nm, 0.02 micron) I think, just as with a commercial neutron generator, the coating will eventually burn off.
No idea about Pd, but according to the Lesker website “thermally evaporating palladium is difficult, if not impossible”. E-beam evaporation is the recommended method.
I recall Joe telling me that one could not sputter titanium as you describe, unfortunately, I don’t remember what the reason was.
Attached find results from today’s runs. I got brave and cranked her up to 60 kV. Wow again!
Jon Rosenstiel
Today I tried (twice) what you suggested, taking a reading at 40 kV after a 50 kV run. The changes were small, just the typical run to run differences.
I'm attaching a paper with info gleaned from the K J Lesker website. As I pretty much followed what they had done I would guess the Ti coating thickness on my endcaps would be in the neighborhood of 2000 angstroms. (200 nm, 0.02 micron) I think, just as with a commercial neutron generator, the coating will eventually burn off.
No idea about Pd, but according to the Lesker website “thermally evaporating palladium is difficult, if not impossible”. E-beam evaporation is the recommended method.
I recall Joe telling me that one could not sputter titanium as you describe, unfortunately, I don’t remember what the reason was.
Attached find results from today’s runs. I got brave and cranked her up to 60 kV. Wow again!
Jon Rosenstiel
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The ultra-thin layer would explain why outgassing isn't an issue. Titanium's thermal conductivity is terrible at <10% of aluminum, so the thin layer allows the aluminum to pull the heat away quickly. I think a sheet would fare worse, both due to the thousand-fold greater thickness and worse thermal interface between metals.
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Re: Titanium Coated Endcaps for the Cube Fusor
Thanks Roberto.
The endcaps have a concave radius, and from my experience titanium sheet is nearly impossible to form.
JonR
The endcaps have a concave radius, and from my experience titanium sheet is nearly impossible to form.
JonR
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...also Titanium sheet outgasses terribly.
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I wonder if titanium’s effect on neutron production is, in some way, related to its gettering action? During the coating process I’ve noticed that when the Ti pellets melt and start vaporizing chamber pressure drops about 2E-05 Torr.
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You bet it is a getter! what can it form? Assuming the deuterium gas mass ratio to tramp gas is through the roof and it is in most high performing systems. There is only one gettered product Titanium:deuteron alloy deuteride deposition all over the place. We have called it wall loading and this is concentrated where a deuteron been hits the titanium. Gettering of a desired gas IS wall loading. Gettering of harmful, unwanted tramp gases is purifying an already decent vacuum. Both actions are desired, but to different end results. Such action creates a self-aiding bit of BOT. This is enhanced in beaming systems. Spheres do this via surface area deposition of fast neutrals, but at net reduced area delivering current. Cubes and crosses do this provided they have a cylinder cathode to do the focused high current beaming. Smaller cubes and crosses do better due to mean free path and confined targets.
Aluminum cylinder fusors maybe the best in this venue with cylinder cathodes and water cooled aluminum target ends with suitable copper post mounted targets just off the aluminum ends. I attach a simple suggestive diagram below the cube and the cross tend to have sharp union edges that are field disruptive throughout, are needless and act to attract deuterons at high field points. The cylinder keeps the concept pure or at least as pure as in possible. It might prove interesting to lengthen the cylinder cathode. Many of the target and cylinder iterations might benefit from threaded attachment for experimental change-out. For field concentration the concave targets could be much smaller than drawn in my example as they will stick out as high field targets set off the anode end plates.
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Aluminum cylinder fusors maybe the best in this venue with cylinder cathodes and water cooled aluminum target ends with suitable copper post mounted targets just off the aluminum ends. I attach a simple suggestive diagram below the cube and the cross tend to have sharp union edges that are field disruptive throughout, are needless and act to attract deuterons at high field points. The cylinder keeps the concept pure or at least as pure as in possible. It might prove interesting to lengthen the cylinder cathode. Many of the target and cylinder iterations might benefit from threaded attachment for experimental change-out. For field concentration the concave targets could be much smaller than drawn in my example as they will stick out as high field targets set off the anode end plates.
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Re: Titanium Coated Endcaps for the Cube Fusor
Jon, Jim, Richard
Thanks for your comments.
Being unable to assembly a PVD, what about heating a titanium wire in a high vacuum, as in sublimation pumps?
Some will condense in an adecuately positioned piece.
Am I wrong?
Thanks for your comments.
Being unable to assembly a PVD, what about heating a titanium wire in a high vacuum, as in sublimation pumps?
Some will condense in an adecuately positioned piece.
Am I wrong?
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Roberto,
I recommend going to the K J Lesker site that Jon referenced. I looked into it yesterday. Sounds like Ti is pretty hard to work with because of tendency to spit.
Jim K
I recommend going to the K J Lesker site that Jon referenced. I looked into it yesterday. Sounds like Ti is pretty hard to work with because of tendency to spit.
Jim K
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Re: Titanium Coated Endcaps for the Cube Fusor
Roberto,
I tried what this guy in the video shows, and it did result in a thin coating. But it's extremely slow, and the titanium wire filaments burn out much too easily.
https://youtu.be/-lh1LhoRBaY
JonR
I tried what this guy in the video shows, and it did result in a thin coating. But it's extremely slow, and the titanium wire filaments burn out much too easily.
https://youtu.be/-lh1LhoRBaY
JonR
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Jim and Jon,
Understood, thanks.
Roberto
Understood, thanks.
Roberto