mystery ion gun

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mystery ion gun

Post by dudleyhd » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:31 pm

hello guys new here but i could use a little help dose any one know what the tube in this is hydrogen oxygen gas and h20 steam flowed thru it i am thinking it is a duoplasmatron but am unsure i could really use your help thank you
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Re: mystery ion gun

Post by Carl Willis » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:14 pm

I'm not able to make out any identifiable features from the pic, and I'm also not really able to understand your question. For starters, I see there's a label on the thing. What does it say? Who makes this item? Where did you get it?

I can assure you that steam is not part of the picture...

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Post by dudleyhd » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:40 pm

it is some type of electrostatic generator the case just says danger high voltage and intesity it is not mine i am trying to find out what it is it has something to do with making muons

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Re: mystery ion gun

Post by Carl Willis » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:26 am

Muons??

Muons have a rest mass energy of ~100 MeV / c^2, and must be made from pions which in turn must be made in relativistic proton accelerators (such as linacs large fractions of a mile long).

What your picture shows is quite a bit removed from being a muon-making device. It could indeed be an ion source; all accelerators that make muons need an ion source (kinda like Ferraris need spark plugs).

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Re: mystery ion gun

Post by dudleyhd » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:40 am

the gas is ionized and charged with protons from leds then it goes thru this device which im trying to figure out then at some point it goes thru a solenoid magnet im not sure of the sequence if the magnet is first or after this

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Re: mystery ion gun

Post by dudleyhd » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:35 am

mr willis could you be kind enought to tell me what kind of accelerator you would use to make muon with the least energy thank you james

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Post by Carl Willis » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:56 am

>mr willis could you be kind enought to tell me what kind of accelerator you would use to make >muon with the least energy thank you james

Sure. You'd purchase a proton source (or alternately H-, depending on the current required in the beam), followed by a radio-frequency quadrupole accelerator to capture and bunch the beam and take it up to ~1 MeV. The RFQ would be followed by a drift-tube linac of the interdigital variety and a coupled-cavity accelerator (parts of which may be designed to be superconducting) to bring the beam energy to ~500 MeV where the pion-production cross-sections start to become realistic (e.g. one pion per 10 million incident particles). Pions then decay into the desired muons.

If you can afford a new 747-400 airplane you can get into this kind of hardware. You'll also need the power company to bring you 115 kV / 3-phase feeders straight from the plant. Dreaming is fun...

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Re: mystery ion gun

Post by dudleyhd » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:59 am

im sorry i was acttualy tring to make muonic hydrogen is that easyier

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Re: mystery ion gun

Post by Carl Willis » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:13 am

Making muonic hydrogen is no easier than making muons themselves, because you still have to have the muons to make muonic hydrogen. You also need some regular electronic hydrogen--that's the easy part.

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Re: mystery ion gun

Post by dudleyhd » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:32 pm

okay i guess this dosent make muons i beleieve you i am no physic major im here cause i need help if i put hydrogen oxygen and h2o gas that have protons bonded to them and run it thru plasma under a magnetic feild what dose it make or do thank you for your help so far

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